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Dragan_Glas writes "

Helping You To Help Your Child


by Dragan_Glas
29 Apr 2006


With all due respect to the author, I confess I must object to the advice – if not the concerns – expressed in How To Spy On Your Kids.

I was reminded of the well-known saying, “The road to ruin is paved with good intentions”.

One can understand the need for, and use of, such techniques in schools.

In the UK, schools are required to monitor email and internet usage so that they can intervene, in a timely manner, if there’s evidence of anything untoward – from bullying to a Columbine-style threat (however unlikely that may be in the UK).

That any parent should need to resort to such measures says as much about that parent’s relationship with their child as the dangers of cyberspace.

Such recourse is more likely, if anything, to push the child further away, into the “sympathetic, understanding” arms of his/her online “friend(s)” - who may or may not be what they appear.

The title of this article appears in quotes because it is the sub-title of a UK government-sponsored website, ParentsCentre, which offers advice to parents in all areas relating to their children.

A quick glance at the wording of any of the paragraphs that appear on the page – and the site in general – clearly shows a different approach, as epitomized by the site’s sub-title.

It encourages parents to work with their children and encourage their children to work with them.

It gives some very good advice to parents on various aspects of computers and safety on the internet.

For example, it advises parents to go with their child if (s)he wishes to meet an online “friend” for the first time.

A mother in the UK who did this one evening, ended up confronting a man in his late thirties who admitted to being the online “friend” – needless to say, her 10-year old daughter was shocked and upset at the fact that he wasn’t the “12-year old boy” she’d thought she was going to meet.

Would the mother have been able to do this if she’d lost her daughter’s trust?

The child might well have sneaked out one evening, never to be heard from again.

I would advise any parent to have a read through the computer/internet-related articles and linked sites - regardless of what country you are in.
As CastleCops is a US-based/hosted site, I realize that most of the visitors here will be Americans.

It is most likely that you will find similar websites in your own country – possibly State-sponsored – which will approach these issues from a similar viewpoint;

  • to bring parents and their children together
  • to educate them both
  • so that they can use the internet in safety as a family


  • Perhaps this site and others can work together with schools and government agencies to further that goal.

    If you are aware of similar sites, share that knowledge – the more who know, the better for all concerned.

    Safe surfing! "
    Posted on Saturday, 29 April 2006 @ 14:19:36 UTC by Paul (2564 reads)
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    Re: “Helping You To Help Your Child” (Score: 1)
    by Brendan  on Saturday, 29 April 2006 @ 17:15:36 UTC
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    I personally subscribe to the belief that only the parents themselves can make appropriate choices as to how best to approach sensitive situations.

    I wholeheartedly agree with Dragan_Glas that parents should always seek to develop trusting relationships with their sons and daughters. Trying to find common ground between challenging young minds battling for individuality, and the parental wisdom that is rarely understood or appreciated, is by no means an easy task.

    However, the influences of a childs friends and peers can considerably undermine parental influence and trust, where parents may then need to seek further information and advice in dealing with difficult situations.

    It's a cruel and twisted world, often demanding extreme measures in tackling its many problems and ills. Sadly, I do not believe that it is possible to wrap particular problems up in a tidy package and deal with it through a generic formula.

    For parents developing loving trusting relationships with their children then kudos to them. For parents so desperate as to feel the need to closely monitor their child's behaviour in surreptitious ways, and are aware of the explosive potential in doing so, then I wish them well too.

    As far as UK government advice is concerned, please excuse my scepticism but our government is also guilty of incomprehensible degrees of ignorance, hypocrisy, and the criminal underfunding of our police and social services. The consideration of parole and early release for dangerous sex offenders, despite warnings to the contrary, who then re-offend in their communities.

    Although a step in the right direction, a relatively inexpensive website and a few informational leaflets here-and-there won't buy my votes I'm afraid.

    Regarding the 30-40 year-old pervert grooming one mother's 10-year-old daughter, I'm sure that for every success story there exists other examples where more drastic measures were required - and succeeded. Of-course there will also be failures in both camps as-well.

    With the ever-constant threats of perverts grooming innocent kids through the faceless internet for a sinister liaison, only parents themselves, not governments or anyone else, have the insight to make their own decisions with the urgency that such occasions could well demand.

    We need to support them in making those decisions in ways that Dragan_Glas has covered well, and I applaud the advice and good intentions.

    However, I don't believe that we should be so hasty so as to demean the efforts of desperate parents that feel that surreptitious observation is the only answer, in potentially sinister and dangerous circumstances.

    Brendan.



    Re: “Helping You To Help Your Child” (Score: 1)
    by wawadave  on Saturday, 29 April 2006 @ 19:10:11 UTC
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    Its thinking like this that makes you wonder when homeland will put rootkited key loggers on every ones computers.
    I think if you have that much distrust in your family than your family comes under the heading of Dysfunctional or one of low or no morals.
    You need to watch your kids no doubt about it. But in big brother style totalitarian confrontational tactics are not the way to do it.
    Spare the rod and spoil the child while hog tyeing and cattle prods are not the answer ether.
    How to so the seeds of true mistrust rootkit and key log your kids you will find out soon enough!! [/rantrnd]



    Re: “Helping You To Help Your Child” (Score: 1)
    by Hoov (hoov@castlecops.com)  on Saturday, 29 April 2006 @ 22:55:46 UTC
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    I stand somewhere between the two points of view.

    I think first you must start out trusting your child as Dragan_Glas suggests. This is only the fair thing to do, if you don't try and show your child some respect right from the get-go, then if something comes up, and you are not aware of it, you will just drive your child right into the arms of someone else, possibly not someone that should be giving advice to anyone.

    Sit down with your child and explain the facts of life on the internet. In this day and age, this talk could be more important than the birds and bees talk. Tell them about child predators, and how they operate. Show them the website for missing and exploited children (http://www.missingkids.com/ or whatever site your country / state has) . Explain that there are boogie men in the world far worse than anyone ever included into a fairy tale, far worse than you or they would even want to imagine. Give your kids the facts. If they are not old enough to know the facts, then you shouldn't let them on the internet at all.

    Once they have all the facts, then trust them, and let them know that. Ask them if you can read their e-mail, and look at where they frequent. Let them know you don't want them to get hurt in any way shape or form. Then if you catch them doing something you had warned them against, then you can go the spying route.

    But be warned, if you do this, be ready to wrestle a Tasmanian devil or a Wolverine that has a sore tooth, as your kid will come unglued as soon as they find out. And I hate to tell you this, but your child will find out. They are not nearly as stupid as you think they are. They are also not nearly as smart as they think they are, but they are smart enough.

    Also practice what you preach. If you frequent questionable sites, don't be surprised your kids are.

    Remember your childhood, and that of your friends. Your kids are just carbon copies of you in a more modern age. They have more ways of getting into trouble.

    Scary, ain't it?



    Re: “Helping You To Help Your Child” (Score: 1)
    by Spiritborn  on Sunday, 30 April 2006 @ 14:04:56 UTC
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    ****That any parent should need to resort to such measures says as much about that parent’s relationship with their child as the dangers of cyberspace.****

    I feel that any parent that thinks that there child will tell them everything at any age is living in a fantasy world.
    I just watched a 48 hours program last night about this very thing...the dude who does America's Most Wanted was following a team of police who were catching cyber criminals such as we need to protect our teens from.
    A child cannot be expected to 'tell' a parent something dangerous is going on when they are young enough to 'feel adult' yet are immature to the tricks of predators.
    It's also a very natural thing at certain ages for children to begin to be secretive from their parents.
    If you believe that you're children would never keep a secret from you well then your head must be in the sand.
    This past year I've had to use all sorts of methods to find out what was going on with my teens due to some people they met up with and seemed nice to them. The fact that I told my teens they weren't nice and were out to use them made them hide their activities further. They were 'protecting' the bad guys. That's what predators do...they dupe kids.
    My kids accidentally left open their messenger. I got up the next morning and printed the archive and read what they'd been talking about the night before. Thank God I did. I don't think that for a minute means I'm a bad parent. I think it means that I realize young teenagers have not reached a maturity level to see through predators niceness.
    These people were coming to pick my kids up and because I was willing to 'spy' allowed me time to stop it.
    I pray nothing ever happens to your kids as I pray nothing happens like that again to mine...but I think it's rather insulting to assume it's only a bad parent that has to resort to spying.



    Re: “Helping You To Help Your Child” (Score: 1)
    by Blast  on Sunday, 30 April 2006 @ 20:24:06 UTC
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    Talk about throw a cat among the pigeons

    I have read both sides of this subject as published here on CastleCops and it proves one thing. We all must keep a level head and move forward with the best interests of the children firmly in our minds.

    What is important is that the subject is talked about. It will be this conversation that will create the most awareness and despite varying views, all of us will now be thinking of the subject and working it over in our own heads. That can be only good for our kids and the community as a whole.

    We can all think of good and bad examples of how to bring up our kids. We were all either brought up or dragged up and we can all think of times when our own parents overstepped our boundaries but when we think about it... most of us will have favourable things to say about our lives. Our kids will have this too, if we discuss this subject and make decisions based on the best intentions.

    For anything else to happen would be a travesty. Thanks to both Dragan_Glas and to Dave Moore for speaking up



    Re: “Helping You To Help Your Child” (Score: 1)
    by Wikkie  on Tuesday, 02 May 2006 @ 18:31:43 UTC
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    Although I am 17 years old, I believe I have a good perspective on this issue. I agree as to what both Dragon_Glas and Hoov have said and they gave some interesting points.

    As the years pass, more and more kids are getting online and finding new people everywhere. I also know these kids are aware of the potential threats in cyberspace, however, they also think that it would never happen to them. A child's innocence keeps them from truley being cautious. A parent cannot stop that innocence, the kid has to that by seeing all there is in this world and having and learning from their own experiences. The parents can help speed up the process by giving them space, advice, and letting their kids know its ok to expirament and make mistakes just as long as they learn from them.

    So if your daughter or son wants to meet a new friend they met online ask them to go with you the parent, or an adult both of you trust.


    Kids take a lot of time, and its hard sometimes, but its like going through school. Grade school is your baby. Messy and annoying yes, but overall pretty fun and cheery. Middle school is your teen. The foundation to education. Phases, braces and faces. High school is where things start going good. This is where your teen is maturing into an adult. Its their turn to look after you. And then its done. My point is that you knew you had to work hard in the beginning to get the rewards at the end and so if you work hard to build a trusting relationship with your kids then you shall have the rewards of that.

    As for being dysfuntional or few to none morals because you are untrusting is not necessarily true. My family used to be quite untrusting of one another but we were not dysfuntional and we had morals like any normal family. It was the spying that caused my family to split and the talking, the understanding and privacy that brought us back together.

    I don't think spying is bad parenting, I think its lazy parenting. You should be talking to your kids through their entire life, getting to know them through them and not by what asumptions you get from reading their online activities.

    If you are going to spy then remember, kids know the internet is faceless so they may not always be themselves.


     
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