I look at it this way, whether you report spam or not, you will still get spam. Until all the spammers are either in jail, or it cost too much, spam is not going to go away. I have one address that I actually use, and 5 others on the same domain that I had to abandon 4 years ago because of spam. 2 of those address's were never, I repeat never used to sign up for anything, and they get the same kind of spam my active email account does. Once you get on a list, you are there for life, or until every single copy is destroyed. Those 5 email address's bounced every single email until a year ago. Did that stop them from receiving spam? No. Has reporting to SpamCop or Knujon, complainterator etc. stop or reduced spam? No. My spam volume goes up and it goes down. Some days I get 200, then occasionally I get more than 1,000 in a day. In the end all you can do is feel good that you are doing something worth while, helping to amass mountains of evidence against these spammers, and if you personally send reports to the registrars, you get to feel real good when you get some of their expensive domains shut down. And it feels even better when that domain is shut down as quickly as the same day it was registered.

The small amount that Knujon is asking for is minimal compared to what you would pay for a decent spam filter. And spam filters are the equivalent of shutting down an email address for years, and that didn't work. Your only other alternative is to get a new email address and guard it with your life.

I think that you have misunderstood what was said. The "freeloaders" you mentioned were actually very helpful and very much appreciated beta testers. It is just that the number of clients has grown large, along with the amount of work to be done. Some beta testers stopped participating, but their acounts were still active and required processing.

I think knujon works.

My spam count has gone down... down ... even for a december, and that's amazing.

I have had that email address since 1998 spam went up and down but mostly upward with the years until I tried knujon.

So I am pleased !

My spam hasn't gone down all too much because of the overall increase in spammer action, but the total sites pending and shut down is over half of the total sites I have reported to Knujon in the last 18 months. I'd say that was pretty good.

Happy New Year Knujon! May this be "the year" for good things to happen!

I think KnujOn has put a dent in my spam box.

Now the whole problem I've been seeing, I receive spam, but the DOMAINS are already either shut down (NXDOMAIN) or not resolving - either due to nameserver timing out, or whever.

I mean it's a start. Between SpamCop (alerting the administrators running the bad mail servers), Botnet Reporting (alerting the admin/hosts of compromised machines), Complainterator (reporting spamvertised domains to the registrars), and other projects, it's just taking time.

But dead domains is definately progress.

They don't make any money if they are spamming domains that are offline, not responding, NXDOMAIN, or just lagged to hell (retaliators! )

Some of those NXDOMAINS are the Canadian Pharmacy sites that Nodus and trobbins have been reporting in bulk. They seem to have established contact with someone at Beijing Innovative, someone at Bizcn.com, and someone at TodayNIC, and they'll get dozens of domains taken down -- sometimes within a few hours. Canadian Pharmacy is a large percentage of the spam in your inbox, and they register thousands of domains (most often in the pattern of two English words, like pigeonboat.com or sandwichcloset.cn) and spam each one only for a day or two, so URL block lists can't keep up.

When HKDNR finally started shutting down the 1500+ sites registered there, after a while they developed their own procedure for identifying them, and would catch them even before anyone reported them. That's the eventual goal -- registrars who take pride in never registering any of these criminal domains in the first place.

That's good to know AC. Thanks!

My new web hosting company has very strict rules, and I think they probably watch the activity from new users. It is one of the few hosts with a forum and when I read the pre-sale questions, you wouldn't believe what some people asked if they could do! They are a reseller of Tucows (as registrar) and Tucows own web hosting company (Domain Direct) is probably loaded with spammers. I read in comments on a blog of theirs that even their site holding pages have had rather questionable links. They blame Google, but doesn't Google weed out spammer links they sell space for ("Ads by Google"), or is Google just in it for the $$ ?

BTW, I never click on any of those little Google links. Most look like junk, but I have never seen one that looked pornographic or selling foreign pharmaceuticals.

Google will respond to complaints but realistically, how much can they do to screen the ads? Even if they made a prior visit to every site, once an affiliate was enrolled, they could just change the content.

My spam rate has literally halved. Reported al my gmail spam to Knujon several times per day for a year or so. Got 1300 spams per month, now only 650 and dropping, since I stopped submitting to Knujon.

I think I will continue doing this, I'm sorry to say. I really thought this would have been a good replacement for Bluefrog, but it isn't.

I believe yahoo.com instituted better spam filters recently. I know I get much less spam at yahoo. Gmail might have instituted similar filters.

The gmail filter was and is excellent. If they do anything retroactively I do not know (don't think so). I bet they drop the spam websites from their index though, or at least use the "this site is potentially dangerous"-redirect.

But that doesn't really account for the drop due to stopping submitting to Knujon.

I meant that the drop is probably due to the filtering. I haven't reported yahoo spam for 6 months and it was getting hundreds/day. Now suddenly it gets <100/week.

Don't hold your breath waiting for anything substantive with Knujon. They are becomming less and less visible. I keep watching this site because of a perverse interest. I stopped reporting last year and just as when I signed up, spam goes up and down. It has actually trended down more since I stopped reporting!!! Lot's of folks here doing what I did...Waiting and hoping Knujon will have an effect. Don't hold your breath.
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