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sundog
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Over the years the Christian religion has constantly pointed to a devil or Satan as it's primary opponent .
Some Christians have pointed the finger at anyone with a different viewpoint or lifestyle as supporters of Satan much as the many Moslems do with Christianity.
The people from almost all of those differing viewpoints and lifestyles only rarely, if ever, know a Satan. In the Western sense of the term (non Islamic) Satan you need to be a Christian to have a Satan. That makes Satanists very interesting to the student of Anthropology and Psychology.
The Satanist rants at the religion that actually forms the basis for his beliefs. One can only be a satanist if one limits one's understanding to opposing the Christian sensibility. Once you move beyond that you see the whole issue of any part of life differently and cannot fail to recognise the dependance of the Satanist on Christianity as a background for his actions.
With due respect to those Luciferan Satanists who simply walk a differing path of Non-Christian beliefs the average satanist most people experience in years in chatrooms are pre-pubescent gay men who are angry with Christianity for it's stand on their sexuality
Many of them move on as they get older and give up being angry at something they have been unable to change (so far)
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| Quote: | Dear Lord, give me chastity & self-restraint ... but not yet, O Lord, not yet!
- Saint Augustine |
Hhhmm, very interesting post. I'll come back to this some other time - I just woke up! I dreamed I saw St. Augustine.
My friend, Jimmy, was interested in becoming a Catholic Priest. I met him while I was in high school, he was a musician in a band we used to go see. He told me that he went to Seminary School in high school but got turned off 'cause people kept hittin' on him. I think some people sublimate (right word?) the need for intimacy (right word?) into more socially accepted ways (like maybe religions? f'rinstance?) Hey, maybe I shoulda become a Nun? I really do like the Sisters. I work with a Sister right now at my job. She's really nice & she understands the habit of Love. (She doesn't wear a habit though like they did while I was in school.)
Still sleepy,
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sundog
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| Quote: | | He told me that he went to Seminary School in high school but got turned off 'cause people kept hittin' on him. I think some people sublimate (right word?) the need for intimacy (right word?) into more socially accepted ways (like maybe religions? f'rinstance?) |
Yes I think that is true. They attempt to turn to chastity rather than facing the big confrontation between their religion and the direction their sexual needs take. It must be very tough to face. Our sex drive is overwhelming and constant for much of our life
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Hi, Jo-Ann.
Interesting quote. A little background might help.
Augustine was born in present day Algeria to a Christian mother, Saint Monica. He was educated in North Africa and resisted his mother's pleas to become Christian. He lived as a pagan intellectual, took a concubine, and became a Manichean. He later converted to Christianity, ...
-- Wikipedia
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LaVey's brand doesn't require it, does it? It seems more like a survivalist strategy and spirituality, not really a theology, and certainly more worldly than related to anything supernatural.
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| Quote: | | LaVey's brand doesn't require it, does it? |
Yes it does. The very name indicates a revolt against some facet of Christianity.
I had the opportunity recently to question a Luciferian Satanist (my term, can't remember if it was what he used) While he denied my assertion, when he mapped out his beliefs it was obvious that the system had developed in people who were from Christian backgrounds and felt their "pagan" leanings were in contravention of Christianity. If they had grown up among traditional European Pagans they would have recognized no such need to name themselves by a negative term. Their beliefs are fairly standard among the varied other systems in the world.
It is still a fact that most people calling themselves Satanist are not. They are usually boys, mostly gay although not always and they are passing through an immature rebellion stage which usually ends after a short period of very pretending they have a point and annoying people. They are always from cultures which are Christian.
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Hi SunDog (Are you a Norwegian Elkhound by any chance? My friend Cheryl has two & they're Wonderful - they speak!)
There's a whole thread where Christians are answering questions about Satan. It is waaay long! You can take a look if you like:
 /t196591-CAN_SATAN_BE_SAVED.html
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| sundog wrote: | | They are usually boys, mostly gay |
Bigoted and homophobic attitudes are not at all uncommon among church types. That is actually proof of latent homosexual tendencies at work, which the individual tries to project on other groups that they feel threaten their sphere of influence and weak personality.
It has been proven that nearly all homophobes are actually homosexuals still in the closet.
I personally have nothing against homosexuals and their proclivities, but it is interesting that you do. How did this subject even enter the conversation, unless...
Real Satanists do not even believe in Satan, they only choose the mindset of the adversary to emphasize independence and doubt and disdain for the gullibility of those believing in children's stories and fairy tales. Satan is not worshipped, he is not perceived as a real entity, but only represents a symbolical cleansing of the corrupt and perverted fairy tale-based organizations operating their rackets. It is also evident that modern Satanism entails mockery and disdain for those doctrines they reverse. They, unlike their counterparts, do not believe in any supernatural nonsense, but relish in mocking them.
This is evident from all their sites and publications.
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How come this forum has a 15 min limit? Is this a problem with the software? Can someone fix it? I have never seen this before in other forums.
| sundog wrote: | | they would have recognized no such need to name themselves by a negative term. |
Negative according to whom? To you? Modern Satanism is afforded the same rights and respectability as your whatever that is. Except Muslim countries of course, where Christianity fares no better. Last time I checked the news, they have a certain habit of chopping off their heads. How is that for a negative? More like negative flight. In contrast, when did you see a news article of Satanists being singled out that way? Now according to you, do all other competing groups elicit "negative" opinions? How tolerant of you. No surprise there. You must be a theist I suppose.
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| Quote: | | Hi SunDog (Are you a Norwegian Elkhound by any chance? My friend Cheryl has two & they're Wonderful - they speak!) |
My avatar of my former companion, We always had the impression he was part wolf and Australian Kelpie but had no way of checking so didn't tell too many people.
| Quote: | | Negative according to whom? |
We must have a culture gap. Where I come from the Christians see Satan as the arbiter of all evil so calling yourself a Satanist might be considered negative to an intelligent person.
| Quote: | | Except Muslim countries of course, where Christianity fares no better. Last time I checked the news, they have a certain habit of chopping off their heads |
In terms of the topic and the last posts... so what? WE are talking about Satan needing Christianity. You don't even have a segway for that little rant
| Quote: | | You must be a theist I suppose. |
I have an Uncle called Theo, does that count?
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| sundog wrote: |
| Quote: | | Negative according to whom? |
We must have a culture gap. Where I come from the Christians see Satan as the arbiter of all evil so calling yourself a Satanist might be considered negative to an intelligent person. |
Nobody 'called themselves' a Satanist. Can you quote that? I was only making a point. Just writing on the topic. I don't believe in anything like that. Putting words in other's mouths I see. To make a point, the Satanists see Christianity as the 'arbiter' of all evil also. So do Muslims. Are you implying Muslims are evil also?Negative connotations are subjective, but intelligence has nothing to do with belief in things that are not real anyway, so why bother to bring the word 'intelligence' in the same paragraph having to do with theist mumbo jumbo?
| sundog wrote: | | Quote: | | Except Muslim countries of course, where Christianity fares no better. Last time I checked the news, they have a certain habit of chopping off their heads |
In terms of the topic and the last posts... so what? WE are talking about Satan needing Christianity. You don't even have a segway for that little rant |
Boy, we have a rude little fellow here. For your information it's 'segue', not 'segway'. Who is 'we'? Your club? Rant? What rant? Is the desert sun unkind to you or something mister? Do you have a problem?
| sundog wrote: | | Quote: | | You must be a theist I suppose. |
I have an Uncle called Theo, does that count? |
And I have a dog named 'Fart'. What's this guy's problem?
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| Quote: | | Real Satanists do not even believe in Satan, |
Nor do the little pretend Satanists who fill chat rooms with obscenity and try to shock people. They are just frustrated Christians with acne and the first hair on their private parts. As I said. They are often facing the first moments of understanding that they are gay and resent their religion for outlawing them from it
| Quote: | | Nobody 'called themselves' a Satanist |
Um Satanist do. and that is what I am referring to. I guess there is no point directing you to read back.
| Quote: | Sundog, referring to a quote where it was inferred he must be a theist wrote
I have an Uncle called Theo, does that count?
Spherion takes up the subject
And I have a dog named 'Fart'. What's this guy's problem? |
If I was talking about a "fartist" religion that comment might have been relevant. Do you have paperwork showing the dog's name? My brother had a cat called "gonad" once. He would have liked you
| Quote: | | It is also evident that modern Satanism entails mockery and disdain for those doctrines they reverse. |
Which of course goes to my point that Satan needs Christianity. Without coming from a background of Christianity they wouldnt be called Satanists at all
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