I know this is, oh so woefully off the topic but ...

Does AnyOne know if Viagra has an effect on Testosterone levels?

Maybe it's not so off the, oh well, hhhmm, well, Never Mind!

Don't mean to point Fingers & all.

Luv,
JoAnn

You know, in reviewing the posts, i notice a reference to Fundamentalists. I would like to say that there is one thing Fundamentalists know and revel in and that is the extreme love from G-D. The information printed in the press about them is often derrogatory and demeaning, but they are very loving and caring individuals...not all, of course...generalities are not usually true across the board.

Well, the Torah is one part of the Tanak (Tanach). The other two are Prophets and writings/commentaries.

"So act that your principle of action might safely be made a law for the whole world." -- Immanuel Kant

Why is it laughable that a group of people would base their beliefs on perceived or actual prophetic verses in the Tanach? Christians believe in the virgin birth (well, only Luke the Greek physician states this; Greeks were believers in gods coming down to earth for R and R and leaving behind offspring). Isaiah 7:14 (or is it 14:7?) says that the Messiah/Mashiach will be born of a young woman (almah), not virgin (betulah). But in those days, a young unmarried girl was presumed to be a virgin. There are New Testament editions with verses in red print, pointing out prophecy. So what?` If it pleases them it tickles the doo-doo out of me! If you want laughs, get hold of the Big Book of Jewish Humor, or Rabbi Telushkin on Jewish humor. The contents of the Tanach were changed somewhat when Ezra came back to Jerusalem from exile in Babylon. So?

Which of the four writers of the Torah do you most "enjoy"? The Elohist, the Deuteronomist? the Yahweh guy? or what's 'iz name the fourth one?

There are plenty of Christians for you to laugh at. For example, the people of Charbonne, France, who hid hundreds of Jewish children from the Nazis until they could be smuggled out. Raul Wallenberg was a Christian. The Muslims of Sarajevo also hid Jews. Anne Frank was hidden by Christians. The Israeli government has dedicated a section of the Holocaust Memorial (Yad V'Shem) to Righteous Gentiles. I'm sure that nobody laughs
at the beliefs of these people. I can hear it now: "I'm not going to let people with such silly beliefs save ME!" What many/most of these Righteous Gentiles have in common is the belief that "It was the right thing to do!" It was their humanity and heroic actions which speak for them, not the veracity of a particular Bible verse, etc.

If you are Jewish, you bring dishonor on both Judaism and the Jewish people. And if you're not Jewish, you still bring dishonor on both Judaism and the Jewish people. Do I have to believe that Joseph Smith found the gold plates somewhere in Palmyra, New York? But I can easily accept and respect Mormons/Latter Day Saints as neighbors without delving into specific beliefs of theirs (except as an intellectual learning experience).

You've said too much about other religions in a condescending way. Time to hear the beauties of your beliefs!

Ciao!

Previous post of mine was for kinesic who should explain the word's interesting meaning. No other writings augmenting the Tanach? What about the Talmud, Mishnah, Gemarah? You should allow the Christians to copy the Torah/Tanach! Isn't plagiarism the nicest form of flattery.

Big Felix,

Although i can understand your aggravation, because Kinesik certainly does display a great deal of anger, he is one person of unknown background and an unknown present. That sort of rant should not have been posted in this thread and i seriously doubt that anything said here will change that anger into reason. If it bothers us, imagine how it is to live with it 24/7.

But, in any case, welcome! We hope to hear more from you.

Charlotte, thank you for your kind words. Mr. K is gone ("Blatant attacks on a particular faith and0or belief system will not be tolerated."). I'm no shrinking violet, but reading his posts gave me the feeling that I should wash my hands, as the expression goes. I had a Physical Therapist at the VA who was a conservative Christian to the nth degree. Man walked with dinosaurs, the whole bit. His best friend was a left-wing atheist, and they had a great time together. I learned quite a bit from him--not that I believed in it. But it was good to know, if only on an intellectual level. Mormons played quite a large role in the earliest days of San Diego; visiting their exhibition at the Old Town section was quite interesting and informative. Also opened a few doors to further investigation. Anyway ...

So? Were you an Navy man? I was an Air Force brat myself and lived in many different places. I changed schools 18 times during my first 12 years of school. What doesn't break you makes you stronger, so they say. I loved Old Town. As a matter of fact, i loved the old towns in general.

You have probably gleaned a good many ideas during your life. Please share with me. I would very much like to know what you have come to believe.

So, Charlotte: My one passion in life is to find my one passion in life. Born Brooklyn, Peter Stuyvesant High School, traveled, searched, sought, denizen of libraries and museums. US Navy aboard carrier (USS Intrepid, CVA-11). GI Bill, university in Texas, Cal Berkeley. Microbiology. Water purification thru microbial means. Around the world trip stopped short by exotic French-Moroccan in shoe department of department store. Middle East, work contract Israel. Plenty of travel Europe and USA. Reserve duty as sergeant in elite combat unit (forward command post of tank division). Lightly wounded Lebanese War. Two sons. Back to States to split up 1986. She in New York, telephone contact. California from 1987, San Diego from '88. Same apartment since '90. Gave up smoking '93. Slowly coming to terms with my concept of God/Creator. Love Vonnegut's Books of Bokonon (Cat's Cradle), satire, good, clean humor, classical, country and folk music. Used to fly, skydive, counted cross-stitch, ceramics, gardening, household improvements (plumbing, electrical), frame-making for artwork. Guard my privacy/solitude. I have a million stories, many of them true. Yada, yada, yada. Live alone. Romantic, now that I think of it. Yeah.

I'm an Air Force brat although not that one. Born in Australia Grew up up in places as wide spread as Canada, America. Hawaii and Fiji as my father watched over the production of certain items for the Vietnam war and beyond.

Interesting, one meets a lot of military brats on the net

Just finished reading this thread and I have a couple of comments. Please forgive me for putting them into one post but it's not really long.

I've been to a prayer meeting here in San Diego of a group calling themselves "completed Jews". Friday night services, skullcaps, prayer shawls (for most, not all). It included a presentation of Israeli folk dances performed by teens. Not Jews for Jesus. For the most part, change the garb and surroundings and it could have been Jerusalem 1900 years ago (plus or minus).