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Bill_Bright
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 Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: Minimize IE7 Installation Woes |
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There have been a few scattered reports of folks experiencing $MFT corrupt errors immediately after installing Internet Explorer 7. In extreme cases, a complete format/Windows install is required. Because this problem is not widespread, I do not feel that IE7 is, or is causing, the problem. Rather I think it is uncovering existing problems.
If you start seeing "C:\$MFT is corrupt..." errors, try the following. If possible, immediately uninstall IE7 - this some times is all that is needed. Then follow the suggestions below.
Boot to the XP setup CD, and press 'r' for recovery console, run the command : CHKDSK /R If you are unable to boot correctly after this, immediately take measures to back up all critical data. Sadly, at this point, little can be done and any further use of that drive may result in data being destroyed. A Window's Repair from the Recovery Console may help, but to be truthful, that is a long shot. Your best bet would be to install that drive in another machine and pull off any needed data from there.
To minimize the potential of a corrupt IE7 install, I recommend a preemptive proactive approach - that is, prepare your system, then manually download and install the update - don't wait for MS to push it out to you. Of course, the assumption is your copy of Windows is legal, and you have upgraded to SP2.
I cannot guarantee the following will work, I can only say that I have upgraded over 30 systems with no problems (so far!). That said, I recommend the following steps be taken to prepare your system for IE7:1. Rid your system of malware and junk. I use CrapCleaner, a great disk cleaning program that is excellent at cleaning systems of temporary files, including all history and cache files. Before first use, check Options, Settings and ensure Only delete files in Windows Temp folders older than 48 hours is unchecked. Run through all your anti-malware scans, updating signature/definition files first, of course. If you are unsure how to ensure your system is clean, I recommend you run through the CastleCops MRP.
2. Back up all critical data - including your bookmarks/favorites and email.
3. Go to Start > Run and enter, chkdsk /r - follow prompts to run at next reboot if applicable.
4. Download IE7 from here and save to disk.
5. Disable any add-ons/BHOs - including 3rd Party toolbars, such as Yahoo and Google toobars - THIS IS IMPORTANT!
6. Temporarily disable your anti-virus
7. Cross fingers
8. Install IE7 I realize there are many that are irritated MS is forcing this down our throats. Personally, I think they are doing the right thing. IE7, first and foremost, makes IE as secure as any browser can be at this point in time in our fight with the bad guys. Not upgrading leaves our systems vulnerable to attack. It is important to remember that bad guys, not Microsoft, but bad guys, have made tough security a primary component of our day to day computing experience.
Simply because an unpatched, not updated computer can hurt not only you, but other Internet users too, it is no longer a personal choice whether to upgrade or not; it is duty as a responsible computer/Internet user to ensure our systems are properly updated, patched, scanned, and blocked.
(Note - so far, three computers here have been upgraded to IE7 via Windows Update with no apparent problems. Note too that I NEVER allow WU to automatically install any updates - rather I have it notify me first, then I see if I really need it then, or if I should wait a few days to see if any problems surface.)
Edit - Added "/BHOs" to Item 5 above
Edit2 - Added " - including 3rd Party toolbars, such as Yahoo and Google toobars" to Item 5 above.
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Thank you Bill for posting this. I am going to "stick" this thread, since there have been a couple of posts on problems dealing with the update to IE7.
I would add one point to your clear instructions, and that is to do a full system backup using something like Acronis TrueImage, Ghost, etc, or if that is not possible, creating a restore point, although I don't think that a restore point will help with the type of problems that have been reported.
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Thanks much for re-posting this. I'll try some more of the tips that Bill posted before I try installing IE 7 again (and share my results), but as I posted in the old thread, I used System Restore to go back to the day before I installed IE 7 and my laptop is back to normal. (Yeah, it surprised me when it worked, too)
I've installed IE 7 on other PCs here at work and had no problems. The laptop is a fairly new install of WinXP.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: IE7 Notes |
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Another thing to watch out for is the number of software apps which will suddenly stop working after you make this upgrade to IE7.
I'm not just talking about legacy stuff like the "old and free" version of Roxio CD-Creator which no longer functions, but more modern things - like most software that manages scanners (HP's tech support confirms this issue with IE7 and indicates that they waiting for a patch from Microsoft). And other software that manages photos, etc.
It is probably true that this software was designed around an aspect of IE6 that was considered "flawed", but if you really need to use your software, make sure you can uninstall IE7 if you need to.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: Almost Forget.... |
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...and if you are or were a VB6 developer that created any project that used the VB6 intrinsic browser control, you will need to revise it after the IE7 upgrade, as these projects will no longer function. IE7, by default, de-references the control that provides VB6 browsing and substitutes its own new one. The only work-around that I am aware of is to subtitute the Mozilla Firefox Activex control which works very similarly...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: Thanks |
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Bill_Bright;
Thanks for the link. This is the problem I was having, and the workaround suggested in this link was what HP tech support actually suggested at first.
Unfortunately, the HP Director would not even load under IE7, so the work around failed. I elected to go with Plan B which was to uninstall IE7. Since I normally used FireFox 2 anyway, this is not really such an issue!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| SiGiD wrote: | | I elected to go with Plan B which was to uninstall IE7. Since I normally used FireFox 2 anyway, this is not really such an issue! |
But it is an issue. There are some sites that require IE. And since IE7 is so much more secure than IE6, you really should upgrade, sooner rather than later.
Sadly, one of the greatest advantages with WIntel machines (PCs built around the Intel x86 architecture that run Windows) that conform to the ATX standards is that literally 10,000s parts makers can make 100,000s of add-in, add-on, attach to, parts for the PC - giving us, the consumer, an unprecedented laundry list of options we can enjoy. I say sadly because that means Microsoft is expected to support each and every one of those 100,000s different products. Not an easy task when you don't control the standards - or not as much as MS would like to. Still, they do a pretty good job, considering, both MS and all the hardware makers must come to an agreement about those things - not easy when even the HW makers don't always agree.
The good news is that HP is big - so even though percentage-wise, the numbers of folks having problems is small, 1% or 2% is still a lot of people. A solution will come. My guess is that since HP Director integrates the fax and scan features into Outlook Express and some Outlook features, and since IE also has fingers in those two apps as well, they are getting tangled up, even if you don't use either of those email clients.
I don't see Brother, Cannon or Epson scanner owners having those problems with their HP Director counterparts after installing IE7. So did Microsoft break HP Director, or did HP - also known for their arrogance and stretching of standards - code HP Director in a non-standard way that IE7 now blocks? I don't know but either is possible, and not without precedent. I would be demanding HP do something or you will start buying Brother, Cannon, Epson, or even Lexmark before buying another HP. They can put pressure on MS, or come up with a compatible software/driver upgrade on their own.
I expect more compatibility issues to arise as MS continues to clamp down on security in favor of legacy support. I sympathize with those folks that invested considerable funds into HW and custom software applications who suddenly (relatively speaking) find it no longer supported. Note that the Hardware industry - driven by huge and rapid advances at Intel, AMD, and raw material manufacturing techniques, all are huge driving factors in Microsoft embracing the new technologies over the old - and those are factors MS has no control over.
But I applaud MS for making that choice, noting that weighing legacy HW and SW support over rising security issues through the various versions of Windows through the years, as demanded by corporations and individual users not wanting to pay for upgrades, is one major reason for the security state we are currently in. Now, because of badguys - not Microsoft - but badguys, and user demand, Microsoft is forced to support current hardware technology and security - and not the old, unsecured, obsolete, even if still dear, HW and SW.
But that's the price of progress and is no different from any other advancing technology.
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@Bill_Bright
Is there a way to create an XPSP2 install disk that installs IE7 yet ?
I may look into this today if time permits .
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Concerning other MS apps with hooks in IE (and/or the other way around) I just noticed the following in Windows Media Player under Tools > Options > Security: | Quote: | | The Player uses Internet Explorer security zone settings to display Web content, such as that provided in the Guide and online stores. |
Of course you would expect MS would look after all their own products, but certainly there are many other products out there hardwired for IE, instead of just calling up the default browser.
I think what I would do is uninstall the HP Director, reinstall IE7, then download and install the latest version of HP Director. The same may be necessary for other applications as well. As for your development apps, from what I know when I did software testing for DoD, backwards compatibility is rarely 100% supported - especially when code is rewritten to make it harder on the badguys, so I would expect problems there too considering the security changes IE7 implements - hopefully not many.
That said, I think it is up to the product makers to work with MS and come up with a solution. If HP, for example, does not, work to resolve your problem, dump them, for it means they don't care about your future business.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: Two Things |
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Bill:
- Is there some newer version of HP Director available? A few weeks ago the HP tech support people said this issue was "as yet unresolved"...?
- I have had no difficulty running sites in FireFox that "require" IE - even Microsoft's own "Windows Update" works fine in FireFox. The MSDN pages which do not display correctly in FoireFox can be made to do so easily...which sites were you referring to?
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I don't have specifics anymore as the ones I bumped into when I was evaluating FF have all been updated - the numbers of those that still don't support FF (or IE7) are dwindling. If you are not having any problems with the sites you visit, then great. It took a long time for one of the financial sites I visit to accept FF, and only recently did my health insurance site accept IE7. Yes, there are workarounds, but that's not the main issue. The main issue is that if you have Windows, you have Internet Explorer. IE7 is a important security upgrade too and other applications, whether we like it or not, integrate with IE - blame the proliferation of XML code, I guess.
The point is, just as with SP2, IE7 is necessary for your protection, and if you connect to the Internet, it is necessary for the security of everyone else as well. even if you don't use FF as your default browser.
As for a new HP Director - I don't know. I make it a point to NOT upgrade drivers just because one is out there - that is unless I suspect mine is corrupt, or the new one addresses a security issue or the specific problem I am having. Reinstalling yours may work, but nevertheless, I don't know if the same HP Director is used for all of its products. I suspect not. When I call my Director up, it says it is for the Office Jet 7100 series. Yours may be different. I recommend you check out the HP Support & Drivers page.
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FWIW: I ran the updates to my HP Director software a few moments ago (appx: 12:30 am. EST) & the update to fix the issue with IE7 was installed. Using hp psc 1310. Run your updates to see if the same applies to you as well. Depending on when you last updated your hp software , you may have to make a few passes with the updates.
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