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Spirit is defined as breath.

Well I was putting together a response from what I found concerning your post. Problem is that the more I read your post the less I understood what you were trying to say. I couldn't find anything in the Bible to support your position and since you leave it up to us to discover where you got you ideas, I decided to scratch the post and put up this one instead.

If you have text to support your post, Please post them so that I (we) can evaluate them. At this point you post seems to be a loose asserting based on you own unsupported ideas.

I am not trying to be confrontational but you have been posting like this for months and I really wish you would do a better job of supporting your agruments. If you really have knowledge but you don't articulate it in a manner that allows others to understand it, that knowledge is useless to us.

ZZ

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Well, now that we got that all cleared up . . .

Yesicanread,

I'm sorry but I really don’t understand you logic. I understand the verses that you quoted but I can’t understand the way you are interpreting them. I can give you a verse that shows water as people, which might change how you are see Rev. 12:15,16.

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It 's a very nice picture, Yesicanread, but I don't understand where you derived the concepts that you are illustrating. You appear to be picking verses out of the Bible to support your idea. I'm not able to agree that the verses that you are using support your conclusion. You need to build you case much more slowly. Your logic isn't appearent in your post. Please pick a point and make it then move on to the next when we understand.

Remember this as you post your ideas; If no one understands what you are saying, It may be that you are not doing a good job of presenting your ideas.

ZZ

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yesicanread,

You can claim that your quoted scriptures are valid and applicable all you like. This is only your opinion, until they are deemed applicable and valid by others. You must make your argument(s) more convincing and understandable to others, unless you are only trying to prove a point to yourself.

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Hi b11ng00

What I know for certain is that many people do not understand what you are trying to get across yesicanread. I think your problem is that you do not firmly support your arguments with anything but biblical text, which can be interpreted a number of ways. This is just common knowledge really, so I do not think I need to go any further explaining that. You should realize that not everyone's, more than likely hardly anyone's, interpretation of the bible is exactly the same as yours. This does not mean that your interpretation is wrong. It simply means that you must slow down and go into more detail describing and supporting your interpretation of the quoted scriptures. I feel that we could get along a lot better, if I had a better understanding of you and your interpretations of the bible.

Ice has pretty well summed up my problem too. I can't say that I do or do not agree with your post because I can't understand your supporting arguments. Usually a single Bible text can be used in many different ways. In order for a single texts meaning to be accepted, it must be backed up with other text that support the interpertation. I have not seen you doing this. This is why I continue to believe that you are developing an idea then finding a text to support that idea. With this process you could support any argument with just about any book.

I also can't vouch for the validity of your logic since most of it is beyond me. I can't even tell if this is because I an less capable than you or because your logic is invalid. Most of the time you post things, as appearant to you, that don't make any sense to me at all. Often you skip from one point to another with nothing in between. Your pictures help me see what your words say but they don't fill the gap. When I say that you need to make a point clear before moving on to the next point, I mean in plain english otherwise, I'm just not smart enough to get it.

For instance, I can see where you get that man is earth, I just don't understand why this is important in anything dealing with Armagadon. Your posts skip this part. You assume that I will understand how and why earth, water and fire are important. I don't. Because of these gaps, your post appear to me to be disjointed ramblings. I think that you have a point and I would like to know what it is but I can't get it from reading what you post. Maybe others do, but I can't. If it is just me,everyone, let me know and I will back off.

ZZ