Sorry ZZ, that sounds like philosophy, not like religion. Religions have saviors(duh) or Gods. These people are not pushing any Gods. They were talking about God as a concept, not as a particular God. You are wrong.

I gotta stick a correction in there; it is still being debated within academia to what extent Homer was accurate, so I am not sure how he stacks up against the Bible. But it does not detract from my argument.

ZZ, we have a problem with "Ea", it turns out he also confused the languages of the Earth and He also had a flood story. That's where Noah's story comes from. I told you I was right. We must address this at some point. These are big problems. I told you you cannot dismiss the Ea/Enki source for the YHVH deity in the Old Testament. This is starting to look pretty suspect, don't you think? Everything started with Sumeria, like I said. Today we actually worship the Sumerian deities, but in a homogenized composite form purified through the spirit of Greek and Roman philosophy. I regret this, because if Christ is apparently not for real and the claims are bogus, we are all screwed. Oh, well, easy come come easy gone... Since there is no God, humanity had to invent Him, over and over again, and had to have Him die for us, because psychologically, it is the only way for us to attempt to patch the mortal wound that death inflicts on our psyche, emotions and our soul.

We had to adapt and evolve and deal with the damage death inflicts, and so we created yet another redemption scheme, in absence of the real thing.

ZZ, EVERYTHING in the Bible, Do you hear what I am saying to you? [b]Everything in it, in terms of religious motifs, appears in much older mythologies. Can you process this reality, or will you spin and rationalize forever? Do you have any idea that there is nothing original in the Bible? The human writers of the Bible plagiarized earlier myths, and nothing you ever say and nothing you ever spin will change that truth[/b].

Oh, Wog, I feel like laughing so hard, but when I realize how sad this is, it makes me feel regret and sorrow that anyone can be this brainwashed, and that sobers me up, and I feel compassion. This is beyond stubborness, and beyond fanaticism, it's complete renunciation of one's logical faculties, and no amount of hard evidence will change the victim's mind. It's an altered state no different than the psychotic alternate realities that invade the minds of those who harbor them in a virtual "Jim Jones land" and who are not aware that their delusions have no basis in reality. It's basically very similar to schizophrenia, in terms of vividness and obsessive persistence as a usurper of the actual reality system of reference. I cannot reason with the dissolution of reason itself.

I don't think you've caught the drift of what I am saying, Wog. I am not the enemy of evolution. I don't spend hours composing arguments to try to convince people not to believe in evolution. In fact I believe in the scientific aspects of evolution, and I have argued in the past that the faith-based aspects should be taken out of the science classroom and included with religion as studies in philosophy. I am happy for people to consider the alternatives.

Wog, there is an obvious difference between holding up an alternative way of thinking, which I do, and an all out effort to destroy something that doesn't exist, which is what Agnos is doing. Agnos is not a fool, and the truth is He doesn't think he is wasting his time. He has jumped on a bandwaggon that rises and falls through the ages, but the Gospel continues to grow, and prosper.

Cheers,
enegue