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Author: secondwheel, Location: USA PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: KnujOn Thunderbird Extension
This has already been mentioned in KnujOn news and other discussion forums, but I wanted to start a thread here for feedback, patches, bugs, etc. for the KnujOn Thunderbird Extension.

http://secondwheel.googlepages.com/knujonthunderbirdextension

It's nothing fancy; I tweaked the old BlueFrog TB extension to replace the images, names, and to make a few feature changes.

Basically, if you are a Thunderbird user, just click the "KnujOn" button and all messages marked Junk in the current folder will be attached to an email for the yourjunk report address. Once you send it, the junk email is trashed or deleted completely (you can choose in the extension options). You can also choose how many junk emails to process at a time (default is 300).

I may add an option to choose the reporting email address (since there are alternates now), though if the bounce issues are resolved soon, that won't be necessary.

Cheers!
~2w
Author: SB06794,  PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Being able to change reporting e-mail address
Secondwheel,
Won't having two reporting e-mail addresses at Knujon be a "forever" thing? In other words, we will always have to send stock spam to one e-mail address (i.e. stockjunk@knujon.com) and all other spam to another e-mail address (i.e. yourjunk@knujon.com). Right? Maybe you need two Knujon buttons, one for stock spam and one for all other spam.
Stu
Author: mha, Location: USA PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject:
SB06794: That is a good question. Now that I have switched from the Knujon address to their Yahoo address, I am hesitant to send stock emails to the Yahoo address, for fear of messing up Knujon!

Unless anyone else knows, this is another question for Knujon to answer when they return from vacation! Thanks!

mha
Author: secondwheel, Location: USA PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Being able to change reporting e-mail address
SB06794 wrote:
Won't having two reporting e-mail addresses at Knujon be a "forever" thing?


I'm going to wait until they have their new mailserver set up and let us know how they want emails submitted to make any new changes (besides bugfixes if needed).

With their own server, they'll have a lot more flexibility.

Personally, I've never used the stock reporting address -- those are just mixed in with dozens of other spam in my junk mailbox, and it doesn't seem worth the time to read each spam and sort them out when Knujon can likely do that automatically, a lot more efficiently.

~secondwheel
Author: mha, Location: USA PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject:
secondwheel: But since Knujon has a separate address for stock reporting, there must be a reason? Have you ever gotten an acknowledgment email from the SEC Division of Enforcement? I asked Knujon about it when I got my first two such emails, and they said that was supposed to happen. (Means the stock crapmail did get forwarded to them) I am wondering if since you are send stock junk to the main junk reporting address, if it gets processed the same way? I suspect that Knujon's filters at the stock junk address double checks them, then automatically forwards to the SEC?

I have been waiting for the new server to report stuff as well, since the only emails that seem to be going through are the single forwards, not attachments. (Yes, I have downloaded and installed your Thunderbird extension, but I haven't tried using it yet! Thanks for creating it!!) Very Happy
Author: secondwheel, Location: USA PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject:
mha wrote:
secondwheel: But since Knujon has a separate address for stock reporting, there must be a reason?


I'm sure there's a reason (not that I have the time to sort my spam, either way!), but I expect that they'll change things around once they have their own server set up and customized.

mha wrote:
I have been waiting for the new server to report stuff as well, since the only emails that seem to be going through are the single forwards, not attachments. (Yes, I have downloaded and installed your Thunderbird extension, but I haven't tried using it yet! Thanks for creating it!!) Very Happy


You're welcome! I hope people are finding it useful (I am, anyway). If you use the newer reporting address with Yahoo -- this is built in to the current version of the Thunderbird extention -- even emails with hundreds of attached spam usually get through.

I've gotten a few bounces from Yahoo anyway (because they detected phishing emails)... but once I get that bounce, at least I have a few hundred emails consolidated into a single one, which I can easily save and FTP up to KnujOn.
Author: mha, Location: USA PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject:
secondwheel: Unfortunately, I can not use the FTP method yet. I understand the instructions are in the reports emails and I have not received my first one yet. (I don't think you should offer send it to me -- that may be in violation to the beta agreement with Knujon.) I will wait...

You never said - do you get the SEC Enforcement confirmation emails? I got one today so I know the last one sent to the stock junk address worked. I actually am receiving less spam (actually none in the last 3 days!) lately to my ISP email address. The ones I still get are to my domain email address. The host quarantines them and notifies me, but I release and report just to try to get them stopped. The ISP filtered ones are more difficult to report so I have not done them yet, but when I have the time, I will go through the routine to download and report. (Their webmail has an awkward sign on process that I hate and they do not notify of the filtered junkmail!)

The Knujon folks should be back to work tomorrow -- just in time to catch up on their work on the server setup on a four day weekend! I hope we hear from them soon... I miss their News page updates.

mha
Author: chris4877,  PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject:
mha,

I can't use the FTP method yet, either, but I notice that the bounces seem to have stopped from the yourjunk@knujon.com forwarding address.

The other forwarding address at yahoo.com has never bounced for me, but, as I said in another thread, that doesn't necessarily mean that the mails are being accepted. They could also be consigning them to /dev/null SpamCop-style. Smile

The spam intake seems up and down: sometimes up, sometimes down; the range seems to be from about 5 to about 20 per day, totalled over both my registered mailboxes. I have also been downloading any spam I get in my Gmail inbox, and forwarding those as attachments. Similarly to SpamCop, Gmail won't let you report spam, either, to SpamCop or anyone else. If an email has what Gmail considers to be spam-like content, it won't let you send it anywhere.

I've been receiving the SEC emails, too. Oddly enough, all the pump-and-dump stock spam has been arriving at my SpamCop webmail inbox, but SpamCop won't let me forward the emails to the StockJunk address. (!?!?!) I suppose that KnujOn doesn't yet have an arrangement in place with SpamCop.

Anyway, the SEC mails aren't much use to me, considering that I'm an Australian citizen, living in Australia and I have absolutely no connection with the US (apart from a few software purchases over the years).

BTW, I think KnujOn might be back from holidays: there is a post dated today (2006-06-30 at 3:34am GMT+10 [Australian Eastern Standard Time]). Look at the last page of the largest thread on this board (It's called something like "Is Anyone Using www.knujon.com's Anti-Spam?"). The thread is now up to 9 pages., so it's by far the largest in this forum.

I really think that KnujOn needs to get Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, SpamCop, and any other large email gateways on side. I TOTALLY AGREE with the arguments expressed on KnujOn's website, to the effect that we must not ignore and/or simply delete spam: we all must DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

To KnujOn: Welcome back, and keep up the good work! We all want our inboxes back!
Author: BadSeed, Location: Venezuela PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject:
Hi secondwheel. Do you have plans to do something similar with the Firefox extension? I receive a lot of spam in my GMail account and this would be an easy way to forward it to Knujon.

Cheers.
Author: secondwheel, Location: USA PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject:
BadSeed wrote:
Do you have plans to do something similar with the Firefox extension?


I don't, though I'm sure it'd be useful. But the Firefox extension is a different kind of animal -- I have the code from the BlueFrog extension used for this purpose (based in turn on GreaseMonkey, I think), but it's fairly complicated and also not very general-purpose -- IIRC, it submits the spam to a Blue Security report URL instead of forwarding the messages.

There's work planned on repurposing this extension for the Okopipi project -- that might end up with code that's more reusable.
Author: pwillener, Location: Japan PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject:
Or can we access Gmail with Thunderbird? (Without physically downloading the mail messages)?
Author: secondwheel, Location: USA PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:39 am    Post subject:
pwillener wrote:
Or can we access Gmail with Thunderbird? (Without physically downloading the mail messages)?


Gmail does offer POP3 support, and it's pretty well-designed (you don't have to download everything from the start of your account, for example) -- but you can't download the email in your spam folder. There's a workaround:
http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4668

...but it's not pretty (you have to archive everything in your inbox, mark all the spam "not spam" to get it to the inbox, POP it into a dedicated Thunderbird account, then mark it all spam again in Gmail). It'd be a PITA to do that multiple times a day.
Author: mha, Location: USA PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: junk mail folders
secondwheel: I think I can do that same routine with my ISP's filtered junk mail folder, but I fear that if I mark the junk as NOT junk, future capturing by the ISP will NOT be done and I will get an overload of spam in my main inbox. Yes, I know I should get it to forward to Knujon, but I am going to wait to see if a Firefox extension is created so I can do that in the webmail instead. Or, if Mailwasher will add a Blue Frog-like reporting tool for Knujon, then I am willing to mark filtered junk as not junk.
I really miss the Blue Frog automated reporting for Mailwasher and Yahoo -- it was so EASY to do! <Please Read This, Mailwasher!!>
Wink
Author: Stuart264, Location: Worthing, West Sussex PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject:
Secondwheel

Great extension. makes me wish I could write code but I do have a couple of points.

1. Are you going to update it to use the new knujon@coldrain.net
2. Can you increase the time delay slightly before the "delete" happens, a couple of times when I have been hit heavily with spam (seems to happen over 25+ e-mails)I have tried to send them all but the "delete" happens before they have all been sent and I get a error message from Thunderbird that it cant find the message to send.
Author: secondwheel, Location: USA PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject:
Stuart264 wrote:
1. Are you going to update it to use the new knujon@coldrain.net

Done -- check http://secondwheel.googlepages.com/knujonthunderbirdextension for the updated version.

Stuart264 wrote:

2. Can you increase the time delay slightly before the "delete" happens, a couple of times when I have been hit heavily with spam (seems to happen over 25+ e-mails)I have tried to send them all but the "delete" happens before they have all been sent and I get a error message from Thunderbird that it cant find the message to send.

This baffled me a bit -- is Thunderbird successfully sending the message? Are you hitting the Knujon button a second time while the first message (with all its attachments) is still sending? It's not a set delay -- it doesn't delete anything until the message is sent, then it deletes the number of junk mails that it sent.
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