I'm one of the many Blue Frog refugees that I'm sure are finding their way to KnujOn. Having just received a response to my beta application (after a turn-around of several weeks), I just wanted to poke my head in and say hello here.

I'm excited about what KnujOn might do to reduce my increasing spam problem (a problem that was nearly eliminated by the Frog, but has grown to new heights since Fred's downfall), and I'll be spreading the word.

So, anyway, hello everyone. It's good to be a part of this.

Thanks, sorry for the delay in processing your appliction. We are shifting somethings around to allow for increased participation.

Looks like knujon doesn't have the same impact has blue frog. At first I was impressed to get 6 pending shutdowns after only a week, but over a month later it's only now 8 pending shutdowns and none have actually been shutdown. Now I'm wondering if these sites were already pending before I joined.

Also the current shutdown site count is only 3910, and to have any real impact on internet spam is going need to be in the 100 millions.

At least they're trying though.

Knujon here,

Your concerns are noted.

Keep 2 things in mind:

1. We've been re-tooling our operation and have accumulated a backlog of submissions were are nearly done getting through. So if you haven't seen the results you expected this may be why.

2. It is our goal to increase the number of shutdowns rapidly. Note that when this project started a little over 1 year ago we had fewer than 100 shutdowns, we are now nearing 5000 and these are mostly based on the small beta test sample. With hundreds of new participants the number of shutdowns should grow.

Thanks for your participaton.

Ok, I take back what I said. 7 out of my 8 pendings have now been shutdown. Apologises for my impatience.

Keep up the good work.

No problem, this only works becuase people like you suubmit samples. It takes time to work, but we are in for the long haul.

MailWasher has provided a registry patch that will allow email to be
forwarded to Knujon. We know some of you have created your own registry hacks for this, but we did not want to go forward with it officially until we had spoken to them directly. More information:
http://www.knujon.com/howtosend.html#MailWasher

The number of threads in the Knujon forum is low in comparison with the Blue Frog forum. I had expected many more people to make the move after what happened to BF.

Does Knujon have many\enough users or does the number of users not effect the results Knujons work has?

There are a lot of "Fred's old gang" now with KnujOn.

Fred followers were sold on a system that demonstrated nearly immediate results. The enthusiasm was high and we all welcomed the opportunity to share our experiences. When BSec came under attack we all felt attacked and the posts increased.

Following the demise of the Frog many users felt abandoned, betrayed, or just plain hurt. While some organized an effort to revive the Frog in various Open Source Projects others explored existing and emerging programs.

Having been burnt badly (major increases in spam and "joe jobs") in the BSec. aftermath many people are now much more reserved in forming or portraying an overly optomistic view of KnujOn's potential.

While I have not experienced any noticeable drop in my spam loads since joining KnujOn, I am satisfied that they have a sound plan and are pursuing it to the best of their "resource" abilities. The KnujOn system may well take a long time to show the results we saw in just a few weeks with "Fred".

I can't say that the same results should be expected with Knujon. After all the approach is quite different so why should spammers react in the same way?

BlueFrog's approach seemed pretty good - all but that 'automated complaint' thing that basically came down to form spamming and, in the end, a variety of DDoS. Ironic that a DDoS in response removed them from the playing field.

KnujOn's approach, from what I've seen in public, seems better for the Internet.

The potential for abuse of Fred existed, but it was the fact that actual breathing humans were the ones sifting through the submissions and determining whether they were legit or not that kept BSec on the Light Side. Now, what interests me is that BF was smeared as a "vigilante" tool, but its successor Okopipi isn't. Okopipi is, in simplest terms, a distributed-computing version of Blue Frog. I have been keeping tabs on its progress since the beginning, and if it gets off the ground, it'll be very interesting to see what happens.

Knujon, SpamCop, BF, they are/were all tools to the same end. Personally, I'd like to see a federally-mandated Do Not Spam list, similar to the Do Not Call list for telemarketers. Until that time, private individuals have to rely on themselves and others to come up with solutions and tools to reclaim their mailboxes.

holy_saiyan1, your suggestion would be impossible to implement because spam is a world-wide problem thus a national mandate will be ignored. Besides, even U.S.-based spammers ignore U.S.-based mandates with impunity.

Do share any Okopipi developments though ... perhaps at the Spam forum?