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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Suggestion: Cosmetic - Mailwasher 6.0
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Hi all,
I have been using MW 6.0 for a short time, having used MW since the free version and went for the pro version 3.0 and I love it, it is really a god send for us dial-up users get rid of the junk at server level.

Anyway, I noticed a subtle change from 5.2 to 6.0 in that the drop down list of accounts (Check Mail) doesn't drop directly down as v5.2 did, but is offset, see image.

This wouldn't be a problem if you want MW to check all accounts at once but I don't, so my default accounts are those that are the most active. I have many other accounts that I check less frequently and to check those you click the drop down list arrow, now you have to reposition the cursor to the left and not directly down to the other accounts you want to check.

This really is starting to get on my nerves, I can't believe how something as small as this can really get to you, certainly enough to take the trouble to make this post.

I have no idea why this was changed from 5.2 to 6.0 but it is enough to make me consider reverting back to MW 5.2 as I don't see that huge a difference between 5.2 and 6.0 other than cosmetics.




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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject:
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See http://www.firetrust.com/en/news/392

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject:
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Thanks I got the newsletter about the new version so I'm aware of the info on that page.

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Internal spam algorithms which work with the community spam filter, FirstAlert! have been updated to reflect the ever changing nature of spam. This has the effect of FirstAlert! being more accurate and hence able to block more spam.


As I haven't been using the first alert database (I don't see the value of a $19.95 annual subscription) so I don't see any improvement if this is related to first alert.

Unless you are saying I should post the above on that page, but I don't think that is the purpose of the page. I could be confused (easily) Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject:
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I am an enthusiastic MW user and will continue as such. In the spirit of constructive feedback.

I was also 'perturbed' by the same cosmetic change. I use that feature frequently.

Also, does the "Action" column now require user attention to avoid accidentally "learning in error". Since everything is either Good or Spam, what happens if the automatic setting is wrong and I don't catch it. I liked having a third choice of not learning.

It is also interesting that "List out of bounds" errors are just as common in this version.

The public Beta approach should be a very good thing for the next release.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject:
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This new version is a disaster.

In place of a simple, easy to use, intuitive program, it is now counter-intuitive, with a display that is difficult to read.

I let Mailwasher check my 5 accounts every few minutes: if there is only one item waiting, the colour scheme renders it all but unreadable, because instead of being black type against a colour, it is white type. A single line is, by default, highlighted and made less visible.

It is ludicrous to click an apparent confirmation of whether something is s p * m or not in order to CHANGE its rating.

What is wrong, of course, is that the column is headed "action". If it were "assessed as", or "rated", it might make a bit of sense.


I had not noticed the mis-alignment of the drop-down "accounts" box, as I had been running at full screen until I tried experimented.




I shall try to live with this for the rest of the day, but it has already irritated me so much that I expect to uninstall it tomorrow.



Perhaps I need to get a life, but I can't believe how angry I am about what has been done here.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject:
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More illogicality

Items on the "friends" list get the action button, but items which have passed a filter don't.

Surely either both should or both shouldn't



The old "learning" columns made much more sense.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject:
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Apart for the mis-alignement of the single account list, in the old version there was a vertical line limiting the area for selecting the single accont list from the "Check All" button, while in the 6.0 seems that if you don't catch properly the little arrow it checks again all the accounts. In the 5.x version it was easier to select it properly. Not a big problem but annoying.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject:
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Yes, bigmac6 I noticed that too but was more concerned by the offset drop-down list.

Since I use the drop-down list a lot, I have to use the tiny arrow (very small on 1680x1050 high resolution TFT) and I often launch a check of the default list an other thing to make the drop-down list issue even more of a pain.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject:
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Try disabling the silly ACTION format. It's less effective than the old Learning scheme. You can take the checkmark off it in SpamTools, Learning.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject:
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Well this little topic has been rumbling on for a while now and I would have thought since it was in the Product Suggestion: sub forum that there might be some monitoring by mailwasher/firetrust team other wise it is just a meaningless talking shop.

I have been totally unimpressed with this update, there is no way this would qualify for such a large point jump to version 6.0 when there is nothing major in the update. Outside of the optimisation of interaction with First Alert, which as I say I don't use, the only thing in this update for me is cosmetic.

Perhaps an jump to say 5.4 or even 5.5 but to take a whole point jump should be a major update and I don't see anything but cosmetics which fir me have been screwed up.

I'm trying to live with this in the forlorn hope that it will be fixed quickly and I simply can't see that happening when there is zero official input, so to all intents and purposes they don't even know it exists or are ignoring it.

So it may be back to version 5.2 and I hate backward steps.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject:
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Going back to MW5.3 or MW5.2 is not a backwards step. It's simply stepping back onto the trail after accidentally stumbling off it.
MW6 is going to give MW a bad name, and hopefully they will just put it onto the same shelf as DOS4 and get on with life.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject:
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I agree. MW6 is a dead horse. Let's stop beating it and summarize what we want for MW 5.4

attachment flag that can be used in filters
Learning Filter priority adjustable like any filter
FA filter priority adjustable like any filter
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and please don't mess with the restore and especially not with the colors!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject:
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DearWebby wrote:
I agree. MW6 is a dead horse. Let's stop beating it and summarize what we want for MW 5.4

attachment flag that can be used in filters
Learning Filter priority adjustable like any filter
FA filter priority adjustable like any filter
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and please don't mess with the restore and especially not with the colors!


Yes too true.

Add:
    Filter by attachment size so large ones can be deleted to save data costs [15c/mb in .au!]
    Filter by account

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject:
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We asked for a filter by attachment size way back in version 1.xx. At that time Nick told us that MailWasher could not see the size of the attachment if only 100 or so lines got downloaded.

I am not arguing that point, but would like to make a slightly different suggestion: The entire size of a mail, text plus attachment, is available even to the list screen in PINE. PINE is the absolute lowest common denominator of email programs, and if even PINE can see the combined size, MailWasher should also be able to see it.

Since it is highly unlikely that an unexpected email has more than 200 KB of text, it would be safe to assume that any combined size of over 250 KB contained one or more attachments, and it would be easy enough to let the user set the limit for a low-pass filter.

Combined size will also flag mail that has large graphics embedded instead of attached, and would be more valuable to users than just attachment size.

We still need the attachment flag, though, to clip malware.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject:
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Update:
I have concluded the support ticket I also set-up on the original subject of this topic.

Firetrust Support acknowledge the problem with the offset drop-down list and the very small arrow to initiate the drop-down list and that it will be corrected on the next version. Hopefully we won't have too long to wait for that.

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