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war-ruler
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: 10th Century BCE Hebrew Alphabet Found |
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(IsraelNN.com) Archaeologists have discovered a 40-pound stone containing the oldest known example of the Hebrew alphabet. The stone, inscribed with the Hebrew alphabet written out in its traditional order, was found in the wall of a building dated from the 10th century BCE in Tel Zayit, ancient Judea, south of Jerusalem. The building itself was part of a network of structures at the site, indicating an important border town connected to a centralized kingdom.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/92812
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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And?
Other than "neat!"?
--J.D. _________________ Administrations that support one view over another because it is more comfortable for them to do so impede progress.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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"But why is an incised alphabet from the 10th century B.C.E. so important?
"Part of it has to do with the history of the alphabet itself," McCarter says. "The 10th century was the time when the Hebrew script was emerging as a distinct tradition." In fact, he says, a case can be made that the Tel Zayit stone is the oldest Hebrew inscription ever found.
But the discovery is also important for the general history of the region, he says. The traditional view is that the 10th century was the Solomonic period, the time when the kingdom of Judah flourished and its capital, Jerusalem, was a rich and powerful city. Recently, though, some archaeologists have challenged this view, arguing that Jerusalem was little more than a rural village until the eighth century or even later. The archaeology of Tel Zayit shows that in the 10th century the site was linked culturally with the highlands to the east, not the coastal plain to the west, so that it was probably controlled by Jerusalem. Seen in this light, the discovery of the Tel Zayit inscription is strong evidence for the traditional view. "An abecedary is proof of literacy, probably even of formal scribal training," McCarter says, "and in this period that implies a fairly sophisticated level of culture and hints at a developed political bureaucracy."
Even so, McCarter says he isn't ready to call this "King Solomon's Alphabet," and he stresses that Tappy's team will need another season or two of excavation to clarify the archaeology of the foundation wall in which the inscribed stone was found. What is already clear, though, is that Tel Zayit, which used to be neglected by scholars as a border site of minor importance, is emerging as one of the most exciting ongoing excavations in Israel."
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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"On March 8, 2006, Dr. Ron Tappy made a further presentation on the Tel Zayit abecedary. Here are some details from the Tel Zayit website which correspond to his talk.
1. The Tel Zayit finding is an inscription that bears the oldest known securely datable example of an abecedary, that is, the letters of the alphabet written out from beginning to end in their traditional sequence.
2. The inscribed stone might have been built into the wall because of the ancient belief in the alphabet's magical or apotropaic power, that is, its ability to ward off evil.
3. The stone bearing the Tel Zayit Inscription comprised part of a wall belonging to a structure that dates to the late tenth century BCE.
4. Preliminary results suggest that in the tenth century BCE Tel Zayit was associated with the highland culture of southern Canaan, not the coastal culture of the Philistine plain, and therefore it very well may have functioned as part of the new state being formed by Kings David and Solomon, with its capital at Jerusalem.
5.. The early appearance of literacy at Tel Zayit will play a pivotal role in the current discussion of the archaeology and history of Israel and Judah in the tenth century BCE.
6..It raises the possibility that formal scribal training at the outlying site of Tel Zayit was a result of a rapidly developing Israelite bureaucracy in Jerusalem.
Some find that there is a series of abstract leaps here from one thing to another. I find that the extension from the original inscription on stone to a bureacracy is somewhat bold. Maybe they both existed, but the connection seems tenuous.
Here are four statements from the Wikipedia entry.
1. It was found in-situ in a stratum dated to the 10th century BCE by a fire dated to approximately 900 BCE.
2. Until this discovery, critics could say inhabitants of this region at this period were illiterate and could not have recorded events mentioned in the Bible.
3. It not only preserves writing--simple graffiti--but an abecedary, an educational tool for literate people (although there are 4 pairs of letters swapped from their traditional alphabetic order, and possibly 2 other misplaced letters were aborted; indications that reflect negatively on the scribe's skill level).
4. The site is located in a region not central to the government of the Israelite monarchy (Jerusalem), which suggests that if people in this agricultural community could write, certainly people in the government were equally capable.
However, Paul Iverson, of Case Western Reserve University recently sent an e-mail regarding Dr. Tappy's March 8th presentation at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History. Iverson has a particular interest in Greek epigraphy and philology. He sent this email to Chris Heard on Higgaion.
Iverson states,
His arguments that this inscription is an abecedarium that provides evidence for an alternate official order (I can't understand the claim on the website of a "traditional sequence" since it clearly isn't the traditional order as Tappy pointed out several times) of the letters is also rather rash.
I would offer two other more likely explanations: either it was a novice who was practicing and thus made mistakes (quite common on Greek examples), or it was someone who was more concerned with practicing the shapes of the letters rather than the order (i.e., it's not really meant to be a abecedarium).
I incline toward the latter explanation as the letters seemed to be of high quality. Some scribe who's interested in practicing or giving an example of his letter strokes does not worry so much about inscribing them deeply or in their proper order - just give them all and inscribe them deep enough to practice the shapes. Again, on comparative material from the Greek world, one often finds abecedaria with peculiar orders in the letters or shapes, even as late as the fifth century BCE.
And he sums up his arguments as follows,
To recap: the inscription was probably reused into the wall without some apotropaic [magical]purpose, hence it cannot simply be assumed to date at the time the wall was built -- rather it dates before the wall was built.
Only a small fraction of the Tell has been excavated, so it cannot yet be claimed with certainty that there was nothing going there in the 11th century and thus that inscription has to be during the 10th century.
It was found in a context where there was both coastal and highland culture so as of yet, so far as I could tell, it cannot fairly be claimed to incline toward the highland (i.e., it cannot be said to be the earliest example of a Hebrew alphabet).
It cannot even be said that this was meant to be an abecedarium in the sense that it was used to display the official order of the letters of the alphabet, since we do not know the purpose of it.
There is a post on Abnormal Interests on the order of the inscription, and Dr. Joe Cathey comments here. An ealrier post on Higgaion makes some excellent points.
I would like to add my own little comment. I worked for several years on a study of literacy among the James Bay Cree. There are many conflicting and contradictory theories on the origins of this literate tradition, and I think some of them could possibly be cleared up in my lifetime. But that story starts in the 1800's ."
http://abecedaria.blogspot.com/2006/03/update-on-tel-zayit-abecedary.html _________________ "The greatest thing you could ever learn, is just to love...and be loved in return."
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Save the archaeology of Jerusalem and the surrounding region does not support anything but a very small hamlet.
What is supportive of those who recognize that is the absense of anything but an alphabet exemplar. Rather supports the observation that literary was not widespread as it did become after Assyrian domination centuries later.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Lightscribe.
The stone is what it is.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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And what it is is not what you wanted it to be.
Sorry to make you cry.
Relax.
--J.D. _________________ Administrations that support one view over another because it is more comfortable for them to do so impede progress.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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No crying here esoteric one.
It is what it is.
Denigrating me again?
Τὸ δὶς ἐξαμαρτεῖν οὐκ ἀνδρὸς σοφοῦ.
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| war-ruler wrote: | | No crying here esoteric one. |
Evidence to the contrary rather manifest.
| Quote: | | Denigrating me again? |
I have offered a hand-up, yet for some reason he wishes to remain in his manure pile.
As the wise soldier observed:
| Quote: | There's no shame being born in the shiite, lads, but there' ever so much for wanting to stay there!
--Sgt. Maj. Patrick Harper, South Essex, "Chosen Man" |
Is teann gach madra gearr i ndoras a thí féin
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Woof!
Isto pensitaris
push-pull
Lift-drop
open-closed
pride-humility
laugh-cry
capture-release
rich-poor
Savvy mate?
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The stress of doubt is, indeed, cracking him.
Is ceirín do gach créacht an fhoighne.
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