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esacnitsuj
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: "Dreams" |
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Hi All
I wanted to start this topic because JoAnn & I used to share dreams on the religious forum. They were off topic for the thread(s) we had posted them in, so finally, after JoAnn posted how much she missed me, et al, I thought I'd come up with this topic.
IMHO, I think dreams have some deep religious roots and there are many that will say things such as "Dreams are problem solvers"...Well, yes & no.
I really hope this topic takes off. I find dreams very interesting!
I'm also doing this for JoAnn, so we can be more in touch with each other.
I find that sharing issues such as dreams can bring people a lot closer together.
Some may not want to disclose a dream(s) they have/had, but that's thier choice.
I think many will disclose dreams & see how others interpret them.
This Topic is 4 U JoAnn & I really hope it takes off !
 _________________ Warm Regards,
David (esacnitsuj)
EULAGree With Security
| Quote: | "A Weak Mind Can Be Easily Controlled!"
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Hi David,
Well I dunno if anyone (else) is interested in our dreams but I am! I had a bit of a rough day physically so I'm going to bed soon. I massaged my muscles & I'm getting soooooh sleeepy. When I wake up I'll try to come right on & post my dreams. If I can't I'll keep them close to me, maybe in a pocket or something & then post later. I'm one of those people who write while waiting in lines & stuff.
I've had some interesting dreams lately - if I don't have any good ones - I'll post those. Do I have to keep it G-rated? uuh yeah I know the answer to that one.
Hope you don't think you're gonna sneak away from coming to visit me sometime? (just kidding - I know you're busy too!)
G'nite! Sleep tight. & Don't let the bed bugs bite!
With Love,
JoAnn
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eggnbacon
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I'll tell you I dream that I had last night. It was interesting.
I was in some sort of chasm thing with this guy and there was this sacred book that he kept referring to as The Oracle. It was this kind of cult and we wanted to be together but the people in this cult put me into a cage and he was ranting something about what The Oracle said in defence of us being able to be together. He was a more important part of this cult and I was an outsider.
Ok, this 'being together' is simply as a couple, nothing kinky. From what I can gather, this cult was opposed to couples that had not been organised by the leaders.
There was a lot of fire and I was watching the scene as though it were a movie. I could see myself in the cage down toward the bottom right of the 'screen' and the guy was in the foreground giving the speech and defending the principle of 'choice'. He kept pointing to this book that he referred to as The Oracle.
I remember touching this guy at one stage in the dream and I was freezing cold and he was really warm. I remember thinking, 'Wow, you're really warm.. I have to stay close to you otherwise I will freeze'. This protection kind of thing.
Weird hey.. lol. I dream all the time! I love my dreams though.
-Egg _________________ As a man thinks, so is he - Proverbs 27:3a
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eggnbacon
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I'm interested to see what other people dream though too hey.
Great thread, David!
-Egg _________________ As a man thinks, so is he - Proverbs 27:3a
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esacnitsuj
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Hi JACQ
| Quote: | | Don't let the bed bugs bite! |
Ouch & Eeew
Lately I haven't remembered having the dreams I used to have. Perhaps this thread will help start me remembering my dreams again?
I still have terrible insomnia & still take the Rx for sleep that are not supposed to disturb R.E.M.
The last one I remember having was @ a month ago. I was in a very strange place. There were all of these really beautiful, nice people.
We were placed in something like an institution & we all had to cleanse ourselves, then a guy came & asked me to follow him, but leave my clothing there.
This freaked me out a bit, so I asked the dude where he was taking me?
He said I'm taking you to your new mansion that you are going to share with others. I asked how many of these mansions there were and he said many!
I asked if we could leave the grounds we were on & go to different places. He turned and threw me a set of truck keys, because he said he knew I liked trucks.
He then said, you can go wherever you want to go, but always remember this mansion, we arrived at while I was asking him questions will always be your home!
I woke up after that in a rather puzzled, but good mood! I didn't even require any pain killers for most of the day! _________________ Warm Regards,
David (esacnitsuj)
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esacnitsuj
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Hi Egg,
| Quote: | I'll tell you I dream that I had last night. It was interesting.
I was in some sort of chasm thing with this guy and there was this sacred book that he kept referring to as The Oracle. It was this kind of cult and we wanted to be together but the people in this cult put me into a cage and he was ranting something about what The Oracle said in defence of us being able to be together. He was a more important part of this cult and I was an outsider.
Ok, this 'being together' is simply as a couple, nothing kinky. From what I can gather, this cult was opposed to couples that had not been organised by the leaders.
There was a lot of fire and I was watching the scene as though it were a movie. I could see myself in the cage down toward the bottom right of the 'screen' and the guy was in the foreground giving the speech and defending the principle of 'choice'. He kept pointing to this book that he referred to as The Oracle.
I remember touching this guy at one stage in the dream and I was freezing cold and he was really warm. I remember thinking, 'Wow, you're really warm.. I have to stay close to you otherwise I will freeze'. This protection kind of thing.
Weird hey.. lol. I dream all the time! I love my dreams though. |
IMHO, what may have precipitated that dream is all the talk lately on this religion site about stoning, abuse, child abuse. You're father could even be in the whole picture somewhere? Who knows?
I love trying to interpret dreams  _________________ Warm Regards,
David (esacnitsuj)
EULAGree With Security
| Quote: | "A Weak Mind Can Be Easily Controlled!"
"Ni Bastori Carborundum" ©1963 SQIV |
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eggnbacon
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hi David,
What I can say about my amateur interpretation of your dream is this:
The mansion represents yourself. A house is usually representative of your own self, your psyche, your body. Everything inside you. Since it is a new mansion and you are not there yet I would say that it is something beautiful and elegant and special that you have yet to achieve in yourself. It is the most amazing place you will ever be in your own level of consciousness and self-awareness.
The man, I would say, represents a part of yourself. I would be asking yourself what feelings you had about this man. It appears that he put you off guard in some way by asking you to remove your clothes to go to the mansion. Perhaps it is a part of yourself that does not shy away from the inners, or have any bashfulness about the 'naked' or bare parts of your personality. What did this man make you feel like? What was he like? Perhpas you need to remove some sort of 'protection' that you have around you before you enter this new state of being or awareness.
Clothing to me represents some sort of cover or protection. It represents something that we display on the outside that is changeable and covers what is underneath the exterior.
This new mansion that you are 'going to share with others' could possibly be the new state of awareness or being that is plentiful and has much excess and beauty. From what I know of you, you are a very compassionate, understanding and accepting person and perhaps this sharing of your 'mansion' is the desire to share your true inner beautiful self with many in a generous way. Mansions usually have many rooms and have space to accommodate many people with plenty to spare. Perhaps you are almost at the point at which you are going to be able to accommodate many others and be generous, spacious and luxurious with them - even to the point of excess. Where you are going to give them plenty where they do not want for anything from you.
Perhaps there are many mansions because you have found others in such a state of 'being' or self awareness that is laid in a luxurious and grand state. Perhaps you are ready to join them. It seems that living in a mansion - as I have said - means not to want for anything. Do you know other people who are very content with their existence and have more than they could ever hope for (within themselves as people)? By this I mean, do you know people who are very comfortable within themselves? Who are to the point of so comfortable that they have plenty to space with others and are 'luxurious' or 'grand' in their self? I do not mean arrogant or superior here, but rather that they have much to offer and beauty, comfort and contentment. Do you know others who have, perhaps, more than they need in this respect? Perhaps you have more than you need or you will have that soon. Perhaps the mansion signifies excess. Excess could be in relation to your feelings about your own consciousnesss or feelings within or toward yourself.
Your question of asking if you can go to different places is interesting. To me, it indicates that there is a level of dissatisfaction with current circumstances or current situation. It indicates to me, by the fact that the man handed you keys for a truck, that there would be much effort or 'power' needed to change these circumstances. The truck, to me, signifies a great pulling power. It signifies strength, resilience, but most of all it signifies power and pulling. He handed you the keys freely, from what you said, which to me indicates that this source of 'pulling along' is freely available to you. You easily have the pulling and powerful means to take you anywhere you want to go. You can go anywhere you like, David. Trucks are interesting though. Trucks are something that are a utility vehicle sometimes. They are something that are useful, they are purposeful. They deliver, they transport, they pull, they are strong. Do these things mean anything to you? Do you sense these things about your own direction? Vehicles or cars are usually something to do with the mode of one's direction in my experience. They signifiy how one achieves making it from one destination to another. Are you a person who uses these things of 'delivery, transportation, pulling power, strength' to get from one destination to another?
The mansion that you arrived at will be you home. To me, that means that you might be able to experiment with different states of being or functioning, but that you will always honour your true self. You always know what you are at the core of yourself and will not move away from it. You are who you are and that is something spacious, luxurous, even excessive in a way, but plentiful, generous and beautiful. _________________ As a man thinks, so is he - Proverbs 27:3a
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Hi David, EggnBacon & EveryOne else,
Very interesting these dreams. Dreams & their interpretations sometimes make me think of Dante’s Divine Comedy. Like where in the beginning he finds himself in a thickly dark forest & is feeling sad & gloomy. & then he sees a hill in the distance illuminated by the Sun. This is where he meets Virgil (along with all of these other symbols, Virgil is thought to be the symbol of human reason.) Dante sets out to reach the hill & climb it but alas he is set upon by wild beasts (thought to represent the unconscious darkness of his & maybe all humanity.) These beasts are blocking him from reaching the hill. Dante must first make his journey through (& not around) Hell.
Of course everything in this story can be seen as or interpreted as a symbol. Like in dreams. I especially like the idea of working through or solving the obstacles rather than avoiding or circumventing them or denying they exist or justifying the “beast.” I also like Virgil (he’s like some of our friends here on CastleCops like Wog or Q or SeaFSee or hey where has Winn gone?)
I think also that Dreams are personal & best interpreted by the person having them. My friends ask me to help them with understanding their dreams & I do try but I always involve them as much as possible. It’s not black & white. They also are usually about what you are currently doing, thinking, or feeling.
I like your dreams (David & EggnBacon) I’d like to know what you think they mean. I dream a lot & I like to think about them. The ones where I’m sleeping are the best! Ha! One that I’ve been having lately is from a painting I saw maybe twenty years ago or maybe that was a dream too I dunno you tell me. I’m looking at this painting & it’s a big circle. The outer rim of the circle has people’s faces all around the rim. All different types of faces representing all the different “races” of humanity. As you head toward the middle, the circles get smaller & the faces start to blend into one “race.” In the very center are these “Polynesian” looking & very beautiful faces but they’re all beautiful & very different. In my dream the faces in the painting start to animate, to grow alive & to grow bodies. I’m conscious then that I’m dreaming & the people start to leave the painting. They look at me before they go & kind of give me a wave or a smile or a wink. I especially like the ones that wink; they seem to have an awareness of what has happened. No one says a word. One of them comes over to me & lays a single finger on that spot above my lip, y’know every one has that spot, I heard somewhere that it’s God’s fingerprint. Well, this person does what I heard God does before people are born. Softly, ssssshhhhhh.
Love,
JoAnn
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Wogdog
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I finally remembered enough of a dream to post. I was hiking with a group of people who were spread out for a hundred yards or so along a wide trail. A brown bear passed me at a lope and I called out to the people ahead of me to watch out. They just kept plodding along as if they hadn't heard me. I feared the bear would maul one or more of them, but it just loped by without seeming to notice they were there. There may have been more to the dream, but that's all I remember. _________________ When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion. –Abraham Lincoln
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TotoCanReadto
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Wogdog wrote: | | There may have been more to the dream, but that's all I remember. |
I always forget my dreams.
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esacnitsuj
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Wogdog wrote: | | I finally remembered enough of a dream to post. I was hiking with a group of people who were spread out for a hundred yards or so along a wide trail. A brown bear passed me at a lope and I called out to the people ahead of me to watch out. They just kept plodding along as if they hadn't heard me. I feared the bear would maul one or more of them, but it just loped by without seeming to notice they were there. There may have been more to the dream, but that's all I remember. |
Hi David, Wog, Bingo & All,
Wog, what do you think this dream means? It made me think of Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
Bingo, if you really want to remember, keep a pen & paper by your bed while you sleep & write them down as soon as you get up. The research I've read has dreaming being more important to a person's sanity than the actual sleeping. They researched by allowing one group of people to sleep but not to dream, the other group was allowed to dream but not to sleep. When you are in REM, your eyes move under your lids like you're watching a film or something. The people that were allowed to dream but not to sleep fared much better than those allowed to sleep but not to dream. The dreamers ended up being sleepy. The sleepers ended up being very disturbed albeit temporarily until allowed to dream.
G'nite All,
JoAnn
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Wogdog
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Hi, Joann. I haven't the foggiest idea what the dream means. I was kinda hoping you might. On more than one occasion I've witnessed somebody tell a dream to a group of people all of whom saw immediately what the dream must mean in the context of that person's life, but the person him/herself hadn't a clue. I'm not convinced that every dream has symbolic meaning. Are you? _________________ When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion. –Abraham Lincoln
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Hi Wog,
I am not convinced that every dream has symbolic content or meaning. I am very interested in the human mind (How the Mind Works by ? is fascinating - doesn't have much 'bout dreams tho.) Like in AI, one of the most difficult things in Robotics is walking with two legs. Human Beings are different than mechanical "people" - where do I put my right foot (or left) to take that next step? The Human eye is another Wonder (How the Mind Works has lots on that!)
There is also the idea that not all dreams are really "worth" figuring out (unless the person chooses to.) CHOICE - here's what one of my favorite writers says about Choice:
| Quote: | On her small canvas, she recreated a section of the Crazy Mountains, the range near Livingston that they had admired earlier that day; that is to say, she recreated the mountains not as she had originally seen them but as she eventually chose to see them, for a person has not only perceptions but a will to perceive, not only a capacity to observe the world but a capacity to alter his or her observation of it - which, in the end, is the capacity to alter the world, itself. Those people who recognize that imagination is reality's master, we call "sages," and those who act upon it, we call "artists." Or "lunatics."
Tom Robbins - Still Life With Woodpecker (page 91) |
Your dream reminds me of a dream I had several years ago. I had gone to a local little restaurant/bar/music venue with a group of friends. It was during the summer - they have an outdoor bar - music playing - fun! I was there with S (from the Bahamas) V (Puerto Rican American) M (from Sierra Leone) C (American) S (from India) S (made in Taiwan as she liked to say!) Maybe more people but you get the picture. I had invited M (from Sierra Leone) to join us that night. She designs clothes & fabric (gorgeous) & sometimes wears her creations when we go out. I had gone to the bar to get her & I drinks (frosty pina colada or strawberry daiquiri or some such.) When I returned to our little group, M was gone! Of course C took her drink but I was worried about M. Looked around for her (she is hard to miss especially when wearing her clothing) & couldn't find her. (This is not the dream part - end of the story is that she was fine but just left & didn't tell anyone which worried me.)
That night or somewhat after I had a dream 'bout all of us in a taxi wearing gayabeahhs (burqas.) We were in Saudi Arabia & I was a little (no a lot!) concerned 'cause the driver was not "getting" us & our joking around & all. The dream went on but turned out ok too.
The point I'm trying to make is that if I hadn't had that "real" experience (or hadn't considered it in my "interp" of my dream) the dream could have taken all kinds of other meanings.
To forget is sometimes desirable, to dream is always (IMHO) a Wonder!
Take Care!
Love,
JoAnn
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Again,
I should've posted this quote along with the other:
| Quote: | The word that allows yes, the word that makes no possible.
The word that puts the free in freedom and takes the obligation out of love.
The word that throws a window open after the final door is closed.
The word upon which all adventure, all exhilaration, all meaning, all honor depends.
The word that fires evolution's motor of mud.
The word that the cocoon whispers to the caterpillar.
The word that molecules recite before bonding.
The word that separates that which is dead from that which is living.
The word no mirror can turn around.
In the beginning was the word and that word was CHOICE
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Love,
JoAnn
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