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Charolotte
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: G-D is not wrathful or vengeful! |
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I have done a lot of meditating and considering spiritually. I am totally convinced that G-D is not either vengeful or wrathful. I believe that we have total freedom to either preserve or destroy what we have been given. When the earth dies, it will be because of what we have done to it and not an act of wrath by G-D. I believe that the force or power that we call G-D is gentle, kindly, and understanding. I believe that the Universe does offer help when we ask, but i don't believe there is any smiting going on. I like my G-D. I'm not sure that i like those to which some pray.
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sundog
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I think I agree with that. Of course that God has seen many billions of human deaths and great human suffering so it may not actually see our individual or group pain with as much sympathy as we short-lived creatures would like  _________________ Everywhere is being measured and possessed by unmagical minds, it's sacred places overrun, and their guardians driven to drink and despair (Clive Barker, Everville)
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Charolotte
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I understand what you are saying, but i really believe that our suffering is made more severe by the fact that we have forgotten who we really are. When we experience that realization, we see everything through different eyes. We are here for such a short time, not even the blink of an eye, and then we go home...we reunite with G-D...ALL of us go back to the source. We lay down the roles we took up when we came here and reunite with the Universal Self, Consciousness, however you would like to call the Everlasting Self. This is little more than a play. The more deeply we identify with our character, the more deeply we feel the pain and the contraction of our lives.
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seafsee
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| Charolotte wrote: | | I understand what you are saying, but i really believe that our suffering is made more severe by the fact that we have forgotten who we really are. When we experience that realization, we see everything through different eyes. We are here for such a short time, not even the blink of an eye, and then we go home...we reunite with G-D...ALL of us go back to the source. We lay down the roles we took up when we came here and reunite with the Universal Self, Consciousness, however you would like to call the Everlasting Self. This is little more than a play. The more deeply we identify with our character, the more deeply we feel the pain and the contraction of our lives. |
Hi Charolotte. First of all welcome to CastleCops May I ask how you found this site
Interesting posts you've made. Your views are not something I am familiar with or used to, especially around these parts. Are they Christian if I may ask, or if not, would you like to share with the rest of us, to what denomination they belong to?
Mind you, it is not a requirement to do this, but I thought it would be nice and help to avoid some confusion.
Enjoy your stay.
Namaste _________________
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JoAnnCQ Warnings : 2 Major
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Hi Charolotte,
Welcome. I think he is wondering if you got "roped" into coming here. It really doesn't matter.
Before you know it, people will start spouting bible verses at you & explaining the wonderful world of "smiting." (This is me being sarcastic or disillusioned or whatever but don't you worry 'bout a thing!) I noticed you don't like the "smiting" bit - I don't either - & if you notice, the gentlemen or knights in shining armour always "let the women & children" go first in the area of smiting or human sacrifice. (This is me being sarcastic again.)
Before all that loveliness starts, let me say again, Welcome. This is from the Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu:
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Empty your mind of all thoughts.
Let your heart be at peace.
Watch the turmoil of beings,
but contemplate their return.
Each separate being in the universe
returns to the common source.
Returning to the source is serenity.
If you don't realize the source,
you stumble in confusion and sorrow.
When you realize where you come from,
you naturally become tolerant,
disinterested, amused,
kindhearted as a grandmother,
dignified as a king.
Immersed in the wonder of the Tao,
you can deal with whatever life brings you,
and when death comes, you are ready.
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Every being in the universe
is an expression of the Tao.
It springs into existence,
unconscious, perfect, free,
takes on a physical body,
lets circumstances complete it.
That is why every being
spontaneously honors the Tao.
The Tao gives birth to all beings,
nourishes them, maintains them,
cares for them, comforts them, protects them,
takes them back to itself,
creating without possessing,
acting without expecting,
guiding without interfering.
That is why love of the Tao
is in the very nature of things.
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In the beginning was the Tao.
All things issue from it;
all things return to it.
To find the origin,
trace back the manifestations.
When you recognize the children
and find the mother,
you will be free of sorrow.
If you close your mind in judgements
and traffic with desires,
your heart will be troubled.
If you keep your mind from judging
and aren't led by the senses,
your heart will find peace.
Seeing into darkness is clarity.
Knowing how to yield is strength.
Use your own light
and return to the source of light.
This is called practicing eternity.
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html#1
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Peace,
Love,
Respect,
Understanding,
(btw - what's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?)
JoAnn
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sundog
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I understand what you are saying, but i really believe that our suffering is made more severe by the fact that we have forgotten who we really are. When we experience that realization, we see everything through different eyes. |
I think I agree with you. In a way it goes to the basis of Jo's post too. About the Tao. Many people become disillusioned when they have the realization that they are not what they thought they were in relation to existence. Others become seekers. _________________ Everywhere is being measured and possessed by unmagical minds, it's sacred places overrun, and their guardians driven to drink and despair (Clive Barker, Everville)
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JoAnnCQ Warnings : 2 Major
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Calvin and Hobbs
Calvin: Well, I’ve decided I DO believe in santa claus, no matter how preposterous he sounds.
Hobbs: What convinced you?
Calvin: A simple risk analysis.
Calvin: I want presents. LOTS of presents. Why risk not getting them over a matter of belief? Heck, I’ll believe anything they want.
Hobbs: How cynically enterprising of you.
Calvin: It’s the spirit of Christmas. |
Hi SunDog,
I think you get my drift. Have a nice day!
Love,
JoAnn
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Charolotte
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Okay...
First, Namaste. These views are not from a specific denomination. They are the accumulation of years of meditation and consideration. They formed from many of the best feelings of many religions and they have been refined by the Everlasting Goodness. Just think about it. If my child did something terribly wrong, i would not either smite her or condemn her to everlasting hell. Am i better than G-D? I think not. If i am able to love the unlovable and see what has created them, how much more so can the Eternal? There is nothing that i, in all my years, can possibly understand, love, or forgive that the Supreme One cannot do better. Do you see where i am going? Once i understood that, i began to understand the true nature of the Universe. There is no smiting, no "I shall condemn thee is you step one foot out of line!" You see, my G-D is better than i am! That is the first step to truly understanding the nature of the Almighty.
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seafsee
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Well, Charolotte, you are saying a lot of nice things, however it feels as though there is no substance, no feeling to them. It almost sounds like a Forced Political Correctness and not something you really believe. I feel no soul, no passion in them.
You reference some recently posted themes - smiting, a vengeful or wrathful God, suffering, pain, condemn to everlasting hell, " 'I shall condemn thee is you step one foot out of line!' " - which has me wondering if you are a speed reader given the short time you have been around here!
You've used some unique terminology as well. - Universal Self
- Everlasting Goodness
- Supreme One
- G-D {Which parrots the very recent thought of another poster}
| BigFelix wrote: | | My -oD (why is it the G that's always capitalized and the o dashed out?)! |
You may have to overlook my skepticism.
What are your thoughts on the possibility of any psychic phenomenon having a basis in fact?
BTW, how did you discover CastleCops? You never did answer that innocent question.
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ZippyZingo
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Charolotte,
Welcome aboard.
May I ask about the nature of your meditations? It seem to me that you don't assign any authority to your entity(s) while assigning all power to it/them. You haven't written much but what you have written appears to be a mishmash of ideas. For instance, you refer to "the Almighty" a markedly Christian assignment in my experience, but also refer to the " Everlasting Goodness" and"G-D", which could be taken as Buddhist, Zen or even Islamic belief.
Do your meditations give you an answer to the question of how the processes you believe in originated?
How they are controlled?
Who controls them?
Do you consider the results of your meditations to be a revelation from "G-D", the "almighty", "the everlasting goodness", "the Eternal", the "Supreme One"?
Do you consider these to be separate entities or different names for one entity?
If you do consider this a revelation, is it the only way you believe this entity(s) communicates with mankind?
If you do not consider this a revelation, what authority do you see in your message, if any?
What claim does this entity(s) have upon the earth and mankind?
Please elaborate.
ZZ
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Charolotte
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Namaste:
No question has been asked of me regarding how i found CastleCops. I am not a speed reader. I have not read ANY posts prior to my own first. My use of G-D is a respectful usage as i am not in the act of praying.
AND...as for there being no substance or feeling to my beliefs, is it possible that you do not recognize gentleness or kindness? Is it possible that one has to shout or rage for you to feel they mean what they say?
As to political correctness, do you know what that term means? Political correctness would dictate that i take a more accepted stand. The feelings which i express are my own, feelings which have evolved over more than 50 years of my life.
I parrot no other post. You take quotes from my post and intimate that i have taken the words from other posts. Find those posts and reference them exactly so that we may all look them up to satisfy our questions about your veracity!
At some point in the future, you may again ask me about a psychic phenomenon, but i have no intention of being sidetracked at this moment. I won't reply to an effort to "muddy" the waters.
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Charolotte
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry Namaste, i do see the question about how i found this site, now. The answer to that is that downloaded a program called "Hijack This" which showed a number of anomolies after its initial scan. Their site suggested that i go to one of a number of other sites where i might find some information about the anomolies. The first site shown was CastleCops. That is how i got to this site.
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Charolotte
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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And, now, JoAnn,
Thank you for your post. And thank you so much for the wonderful quote from the Tao. I believe that peace, love, respect and understanding are the most important values that human beings can have. Within those values, one finds out how to live on this planet, how to live with others, and how to commune with the Universe.
You are a wise young woman and i am pleased to make your acquaintance.
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Charolotte
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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My dear Zippy Zingo,
First of all, i am smiling very warmly at you! And, i love your avatar! Now to your questions.
The nature of my meditations is really more of becoming fully open and allowing my mind and spirit to receive more than i think i know. I realize that sounds strange, but that is really the only way that i can explain it. If i use my mind to think, i can only come up with what i know. I may be able to extrapolate to some conclusions, but they will only be based on what i already know. If i become fully open, emptying myself of all of my own limited knowledge, i believe that the information of the universe becomes more available to me. That is when realization comes. At least, that is the way it works for me.
Now, about your reference to my assigning power to my entities, please elaborate. I don't think i really understand what you are asking.
I use the various terms, i suppose, because they are terms that people find comfortable. I feel great joy when i merge into the Universal Self in my meditations, and often use terms which express my joy, which laud and praise that Being. They all refer to the same Universal Self. I just sometimes "wax poetic."
As to the origination of my beliefs, i think i basically explained where they come from. They are not controlled, they are just there, available to all who are open to receive them. If i have not made that clear enough, please feel free to restate your question.
You know, along with being open to the information within the universe, it is also important to weigh it to see if it is truth. One of the ways I do that, is by letting it sit inside of me. If it rests comfortably, if it fits and there is nothing nagging in the back of my mind, it becomes a part of my "Truth."
You see, this whole thing is a process. It does not come full blown and complete. It is a building...one truth on top of another...until you come to "realization."
I consider this process to be a product of many small realizations and believe they come from the Universal Consciousness. I suppose you could call them revelations but i would not call them "A Revelation."
No, dear, i do not believe that my way is the only way. For me it is, but i would not presume to make any pronouncement regarding any other way. The information is available to all. How it comes to each individual is not mine to judge, thank G-D.
The authority of the information which has come to me, which has formed my spiritual beliefs, i believe to be that of the Universal Self. If i did not believe/know that to be true, i would still be questioning.
The claim that this "entity" has upon this earth and mankind, i believe, is that of the Creator of all things.
Please post again and ask all the questions you wish, ZZ. I enjoyed your message.
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sundog
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| Quote: | | May I ask about the nature of your meditations? It seem to me that you don't assign any authority to your entity(s) while assigning all power to it/them. You haven't written much but what you have written appears to be a mishmash of ideas. For instance, you refer to "the Almighty" a markedly Christian assignment in my experience, but also refer to the " Everlasting Goodness" and"G-D", which could be taken as Buddhist, Zen or even Islamic belief. | Its interesting to see this. Maybe ZZ has lived a sheltered life. In this culture were I to sit down and discuss the topic we are in with my friends they would use all of those terms and more.
That is because they live in a community where these things are freely discussed and there are documentaries on the growth of beliefs that show comparative world views. They might share a workplace with a Wiccan, a Free Mason, a Catholic, a Pentacostal and a traditional British or Celtic person not to mention Hindu, Jew, Buddhist or Moslem.
These terms are just loose in the environment most people live in. I can't imagine someone thinking their placement needed to be established.
I guess there are still people living in rarefied and protected religious communities. _________________ Everywhere is being measured and possessed by unmagical minds, it's sacred places overrun, and their guardians driven to drink and despair (Clive Barker, Everville)
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