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ProxFox
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 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: New Config :: From the Ground Up... |
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what is the community's thoughts on a community-wide project in creating a newbie-oriented from-the-ground-up Proxo config aimed primarily at newbie users that may be too inundated with "seasoned" configs and therefore really don't give Proxo a second thought?
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DarthTrader
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Do you mean a config which would be browser independent?
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ProxFox
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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definitely...
something "simple" that won't inundate newbies and would perhaps broaden our "newbie base"...
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Kye-U
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm up to help with what I can with this project 
The only problem is, more simplicity = less optimization. But I guess it can act as a good, solid building block for many new Proxomitron users, so I do think it's a good idea.
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z12
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like a good idea.
Any thoughts on how to begin?
z12
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ProxFox
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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i was hoping the "starting point" would be a 'wish list' by NEWBIE users...
something along the lines of, "i've tried such-and-such-config and it's over-my-head... i love this, this, and this... but don't need that, that, that, that, and that..."
i think that more "newbies" would stick with Proxo if they weren't so inundated with "so much" capability right up front...
if there were a "simpler" public-release config, it could "ease" newbies in more gradually...
that's about what i was thinkin', something much more newbie-oriented...
so, does the starting point become "newbie first", or 'if you build it, they will come' ???
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DarthTrader
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z12
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ProxFox wrote: |
so, does the starting point become "newbie first", or 'if you build it, they will come' ???
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You'll probably need to build it before you can get a wish list.
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more "newbies" would stick with Proxo if they weren't so inundated with "so much" capability right up front...
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As for myself, I've found that diving into advanced configs can be downright daunting.
I see no drawbacks to starting simple.
Having too many filters "right out of the box" can make proxo seem overly complicated.
Filters can always be added by users in a as needed basis.
I think a minimal config would work well for many people.
Lots of people are happy with just a hosts file.
| DarthTrader wrote: |
How about "Safety First"? Sidki's demo page shows the danger of surfing without Proxomitron
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I think that's the wrong angle and a losing battle.
You'll never be able to guarantee that by using proxo you'll be safe from exploits.
There's a lot of companies making browsers & security programs and they can't make that claim.
To imply proxo will keep you safe may give some a false sense of security.
Can proxo make browsing safer? Maybe. Sometimes.
Can proxo make browsing better? Definitely.
z12
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Cudni
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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or maybe have a config optimised for browsing speed, then another where security is more prominent but might slow down browsing etc.
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z12
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Cudni wrote: |
have a config optimised for browsing speed, then another where security is more prominent
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Why not have a base config to start with.
This could be the framework to which specialty filters could be added to.
Different configs could be created based on it.
z12
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DarthTrader
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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How about making a list of things which Proxomitron can do that no other web filter can do? We might find some good selling points.
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ProxFox
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| z12 wrote: | You'll probably need to build it before you can get a wish list.
I've found that diving into advanced configs can be downright daunting.
I see no drawbacks to starting simple.
I think a minimal config would work well for many people.
I think that's the wrong angle and a losing battle.
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agree with all...
| Cudni wrote: | or maybe have a config optimised for browsing speed, then another where security is more prominent but might slow down browsing etc.
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i'm not so sure that i myself see Proxo as a "speed-booster"...
nor a speed-REDUCER, for that matter...
| DarthTrader wrote: | | How about making a list of things which Proxomitron can do that no other web filter can do? We might find some good selling points. |
seems that merely pointing out that Proxo does MORE then merely block ADS pretty much in and of itself sets it ABOVE ALL "web filters"...
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Cudni
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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using all filters available in a config has effect on browsing speed, slowing it down the noticeably. With minimal number of filters that slowdown would be barely noticeable but more stuff can sneak by.
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DarthTrader
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| ProxFox wrote: | | seems that merely pointing out that Proxo does MORE then merely block ADS pretty much in and of itself sets it ABOVE ALL "web filters"... |
If a newbie were to ask you "Why should I use the Proxomitron?", how would you answer? What specific examples would you give?
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ProxFox
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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well, in comparison to other "web filters", of which i've GIVEN UP ON a LONG time ago (have "tried" a few, but NOTHING comes anywhere near Proxo, period!  ), how 'bout TRACKING LINKS for one...
correct me if i'm wrong, but NO other "web filter" aside from Proxo 'converts' TRACKING LINKS 'on the fly'...
if "web filtering" was merely about blocking ADS, then, well, even i myself would resort to my HOSTS file and, to "Quoth the Raven", paraphrasing, Nothing More...
perhaps "cosmetic Google enhancements" offers a very good "example" that we could highlight in an extremely-simple newbie-targeted less-under-the-hood ground-up config...
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