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JoAnnCQ
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 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: Is "Faith Based" Synonymous With Dumb? |
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| Quote: | Put Them Out to Pastor
By Richard Cohen
... For too long now, the term "faith-based" has been synonymous with dumb. It's dumb to speak of Islam as if the terrorists are its true representatives (F. Graham). It's dumb to think the Holocaust was God's way of getting the Jews to return to Israel (Hagee) or that Catholics are not true Christians (Hagee, again) or that "Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world" (Parsley).
It's dumb to reject evolution when all of science thinks the opposite, and it's dumb to oppose sex education, as if knowledge was by itself a sin. It was beyond dumb for the Rev. Pat Robertson to predict a natural calamity for Orlando because of Disney World's policy regarding gay men and lesbians. Yet, the endorsement of such clergymen has been sought by virtually every Republican presidential candidate of our times. To pass this kind of muster is very disquieting.
The liberal clergy in this country is a faded force. Gone are the days when ministers did such things as leading the civil rights movement and marching to end the Vietnam War. Now, the ones with political clout are too often small-minded men who swaddle their bigotry and ignorance in the soothing word "faith." And John McCain, like a spiritual beggar, goes from one right-wing minister to another, ignoring their previous statements of intolerance and hoping for an endorsement. The other day, he didn't even get lunch. He deserved humble pie.
the complete article is here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
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Is "Faith Based" Synonymous With Dumb?
In 1 word. Yes.
In a few words? Religion is no longer (if it ever was?) about freeing Peoples, it controls & enslaves.
Discuss? Thanks. Respect.
Happy WTFU Day!
Love & Piece,
JoAnn
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Just what exactly does "faith based" mean? Do we not all have faith in something? Perhaps the severely depressed have faith in nothing. So we are all either depressed or dumb is that it?
I choose dumb.
As for religion controlling and enslaving folks... I see religion controlling and enslaving those who would be controlled and enslaved anyway. It is just a matter of degree to which they are manipulated for good or for evil.
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| Quote: | The pilgrim is making little progress. In a futile effort to convince faith-voters that he is one of them.
-Richard Cohen
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| Quote: | RELIGION, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.
"What is your religion my son?" inquired the Archbishop of Rheims.
"Pardon, monseigneur," replied Rochebriant; "I am ashamed of it."
"Then why do you not become an atheist?"
"Impossible! I should be ashamed of atheism."
"In that case, monsieur, you should join the Protestants."
POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
From THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY ((C)1911 Released April 15 1993) : |
Hi Mud,
"Faith Based" is a Political/Religious term. Political? Religious? Same o Same o.
Not quite sure how You reduce Your Choices to being depressed or dumb 
What about all those other Choices? Like ... well it's Your Life, You choose.
Love & Piece,
JoAnn
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| JoAnnCQ wrote: |
Hi Mud,
"Faith Based" is a Political/Religious term. Political? Religious? Same o Same o.
Not quite sure how You reduce Your Choices to being depressed or dumb
What about all those other Choices? Like ... well it's Your Life, You choose.
Love & Piece,
JoAnn |
Dumb was the term used in the article and equated to those of 'faith". People without faith in something are most likely to have an overwhelming sense of hopelessness therefore depression.
Trying to keep it simple , 2 choices, faith or no faith
Is there a middle ground? If you have a little faith then you have faith. Looks black and white in a gray world to me.
WOW!! have we just discovered a rare point of clarity?
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I was unable to find the article at the WP site. I am curious if the writer explores the religious pursuits of both candidates or if this is another case of biased reporting. If so then I have no real interest in reading further anyway.
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| MississippiMud wrote: | | I am curious if the writer explores the religious pursuits of both candidates or if this is another case of biased reporting. |
Here's the WP link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/30/AR2008063001904.html
The Washington Post is a liberal rag. If you want a balanced view of what is going on inside the beltway, you need to read the Washington Times.
The WP article is only about McCain and his apparent seeking out endorsements from religious leaders who have made politically incorrect remarks in the past. Curiously, Cohen does not mention similar statements made by those religious leaders who have backed Obama (Farrakhan, Wright).
Assuming that this topic is about politics and not just another anti-religion screed, here are some endorsements Obama has received from other controversial faith-based (although not religion-based) leaders:
| Quote: | it looks like we’ve got another tyrant endorsement:
The Chosun Sinbo, the mouthpiece of North Korea’s Japanese front organization Chongryon and often for the North Korean regime itself, has announced its preference for Obama over McCain, whom it calls “a variant of Bush” and “nothing better than a scarecrow of neoconservatives,” which is a bit odd considering that the Bush Administration’s giveaway diplomacy is better for Kim Jong Il than even Clinton’s awful performance.
Castro we knew about, and Qaddafi chimed in just the other day, but Kim Jong Il? |
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/22/yes-the-ultimate-obama-endorsement/
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Pretty much what I figgered. Thanks KO
Perhaps not as biased as you think KO. Anytime religion is brought into the debate it has to help McCain just based on the difficulties that religion has already given Obama
Cohen is helping McCain. Just like the recent comments by Wes Clark having to do with experience also help McCain.
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Is a puffed up buffoon like Hagee faith based? I doubt it. He’s a huckster.
What does it mean that McCain would suck up to somebody like that?
Muddy, cheap shot on the Clarke thing. It’s pretty clear what he meant. The Republicans are doing a hatchet job, stirring up people that aren’t going to read the interview. Sound bite politics. Ugly.
— Wynn
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| MississippiMud wrote: | | JoAnnCQ wrote: |
Hi Mud,
"Faith Based" is a Political/Religious term. Political? Religious? Same o Same o.
Not quite sure how You reduce Your Choices to being depressed or dumb
What about all those other Choices? Like ... well it's Your Life, You choose.
Love & Piece,
JoAnn |
Dumb was the term used in the article and equated to those of 'faith". People without faith in something are most likely to have an overwhelming sense of hopelessness therefore depression.
Trying to keep it simple , 2 choices, faith or no faith
Is there a middle ground? If you have a little faith then you have faith. Looks black and white in a gray world to me.
WOW!! have we just discovered a rare point of clarity? |
Hi Mud,
I'm sorry You didn't read the article.
I'm also sorry You that You seem to need to make things black & white in order to understand them?
That must be so horrible! Like being color-blind in this Beautiful Beyond technic-color World.
I didn't see that as being the point.
Maybe You should read the whole article?
"Faith based" Peoples vote! (except maybe the Jehovah Witnesses 'cuz it's against their religion)
Both Democrats & Republicans are trying to get the "faith based" vote. Just like both are trying to get the "put whatever word you want here" vote. It's like the old 2 man con job? Or the good cop/bad cop thing? Either way it's a con job.
They are both playing the same con job.
There's a sucker born every minute as they used to say? I think both democrats & republicans are counting on it.
How many people even vote? Doesn't that say something about the process?
Anyway, I am sorry You can't see in Color.
Love & Piece,
JoAnn
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Muddy, cheap shot on the Clarke thing. It’s pretty clear what he meant. The Republicans are doing a hatchet job, stirring up people that aren’t going to read the interview. Sound bite politics. Ugly.
— Wynn |
Clark is a hatchet job. I used to like the guy till he took a sharp turn. He reminds me of Howard Dean in a uniform
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Joann,
Color is just window dressing. I do enjoy the many shades of gray. Rarely is anything ever black and white. Good thing, that would be boring.
Yeah you pretty much got it.
McBama or O'Cain. Makes them both sound Irish. See I added color and they both sound good.
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| Wynne-R wrote: |
Muddy, cheap shot on the Clarke thing. It’s pretty clear what he meant. The Republicans are doing a hatchet job, stirring up people that aren’t going to read the interview. Sound bite politics. Ugly.
— Wynn |
Thing is if Clark wants to debate McCain's experience thats fine.
Obama has NO experience to debate. Good or bad. That is both part of his appeal and part of his problem. It comes down to ... do you vote for a known quantity or roll the dice. Im a gambler and its the dice rolling factor that has me favor Obama at this point.
McCain is the safer bet.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Is "Faith Based" Synonymous With Dumb? |
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| Quote: | Put Them Out to Pastor
By Richard Cohen
... For too long now, the term "faith-based" has been synonymous with dumb. It's dumb to speak of Islam as if the terrorists are its true representatives (F. Graham). It's dumb to think the Holocaust was God's way of getting the Jews to return to Israel (Hagee) or that Catholics are not true Christians (Hagee, again) or that "Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world" (Parsley).
It's dumb to reject evolution when all of science thinks the opposite, and it's dumb to oppose sex education, as if knowledge was by itself a sin. It was beyond dumb for the Rev. Pat Robertson to predict a natural calamity for Orlando because of Disney World's policy regarding gay men and lesbians.
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Now, the ones with political clout are too often small-minded men who swaddle their bigotry and ignorance in the soothing word "faith."
the complete article is here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
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Is "Faith Based" Synonymous With Dumb?
Is it dumb to speak of Islam as if the terrorists are its true representatives?
Is it dumb to think the Holocaust was God's way of getting the Jews to return to Israel?
Is it dumb to think Catholics (or any other Xian group) are not true Christians?
Is it dumb to think Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world?
Is it dumb to reject evolution when all of science (& some religious folk, including Catholics) think the opposite?
Is it dumb to oppose sex education, as if knowledge was by itself a sin?
Was it dumb for the Rev. Pat Robertson to predict a natural calamity for Orlando because of Disney World's policy regarding gay men and lesbians?
Discuss? Thanks. Respect.
Happy WTFU Day!
Love & Piece,
JoAnn
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| Quote: | The terms Christian right and Religious right are often used interchangeably, although the terms are not synonymous. Religious right can refer to any religiously motivated conservative movement, whether specific to one religion or shared across religious lines. For example, conservative Christians, Muslim social conservatives, and Orthodox Jews cooperate in national and international projects through the World Congress of Families and United Nations NGO gatherings.[1] Christian right on the other hand refers to only the Christian segment of the Religious right and includes leaders who are outspoken critics of radical Islam and other faiths, regardless of their political leanings.[2]
The term Christian right is considered pejorative by some observers who suggest the term, and similarly, Religious Right is used primarily by the political left.[3][4]
The term Christian right is used by people from a wide range of political and religious viewpoints, for self identification and outside commentary. Some 15% of the electorate in the United States tell pollsters they align themselves with the Christian right, which serves as an important voting bloc within the U.S. Republican Party. In recent years, Christian right groups have appeared in other countries than the United States. However, the Christian right remains a idiosyncratic phenomenon most commonly associated with the United States.
Movements outside the United States
"Most Americans still do not realize how extraordinary their brand of conservatism is. While the American Left - unions, academics, public-sector workers - have their equivalents overseas, Dustin [Hastert], Maura, Focus on the Family, the angry taxpayers and the militant gun owners are distinctly American."
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Just thought this was rather extraordinary 
Theo-crazy? American Style.
Love & Piece,
JoAnn
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