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yesicanread
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: My math to represent the concept of God. |
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ekrubtap
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Hey b11ng00...
As a math challenged non-physicist, I can't really understand some of your mathematic convolutions. I would, however, suggest that a mathematical model that illustrates the existance of God would be impossible. (Deists, those who believe in a God, or gods, would say that God is beyond math, and thereby indescribable as math.)
Certainly "action = reaction" as applicable to God, goes right out the window with the early biblical stories of God's wrath visited upon humanity for often trivial reasons.
I, myself, don't think God can be illustrated/demonstrated by mathematics (or any other bona-fide scientific method) as I don't believe such an entity exists to be percieved. In the vein of acting/reacting; if an entity exists, that entity must act (what is the purpose of existance without action?) The actions of said entity must (action = reaction) produce reaction. That reaction, in it's turn, would also cause action/ reaction. Even accepting the Deist's proposition that God is scientifically undeterminable, God's actions/reactions should be observable and measurable. They are not.
Nothing in existance can be irrefutably demonstrated to be a result of God. Instead, we get hyperbole...."look at a human being. Such a wonderous thing could only be a creation of God", while, in truth, we should be saying, "Look at God, such a wonderous thing could only have been created by man." _________________ If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
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yesicanread
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CptKirkJT
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Very interesting diagram. I do, however, have a question. Why would anyone wish to even make the attempt to explain God using human understood mathamatics? God is not a math example in a text book, He is a living being, all powerful and EXCEEDINGLY more infinite than some math example could ever hope to explain, or even come close to beginning to explain. It is typical human understanding to want to try to put God in human terms so they can better understand Him, and I can understand why we all wish to do this, but when it boils right down to it, our personal relationship with God is nothing anyone can explain with human understanding.
It says right in the bible, Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding. Seek his will in all you do, and he will direct your paths."
Why then do we continue to make attempts at using our own understanding to explain a being we know very little about?
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!TMOV
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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yeah!
and the mathematicians are only discovering what GOD HAD PUT INTO PLAY"IN THE BEGINNING"
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enegue
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yesicanread, I hope you don't think I am being rude, but could you direct me to the wikkipedia page you are quoting. What you have written, without making claims of being an expert, seems to me to be utter jibberish.
Cheers,
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yesicanread
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enegue
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Let's take this bit by bit
| yesicanread wrote: | | Also A line conserves Energy. Action = Action, Line = Line. |
When you say, "A line conserves energy" are you referring to "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line" and so minimum expenditure of energy will occur on a linear path.
What is your definition of "Action"?
Isn't it redundant to say "Action=Action, Line=Line"? How is this helpful to the argument?
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yesicanread
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!TMOV
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i don't get it at all.
maybe i'm too dumb.
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yesicanread
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Gee. I only have a BS in computer science with a minor in math and enough physics to teach at the high school level but that made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I don't think that you could ever provide convincing proof of God through mathematics or science, although there is a great deal of evidence of him in both areas. _________________
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| Oldfrog wrote: | | although there is a great deal of evidence of him in both areas. |
Where? _________________ If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
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yesicanread
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:50 am Post subject: |
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